Defenders of Kanakuk Kamp have bristled at comments on this blog that Kanakuk officials had received previous complaints about former director Pete Newman but failed to do anything about them.
Newman, of course, pleaded guilty Feb. 18 to two counts of statutory sodomy in the first degree, three counts of statutory sodomy in the second degree, and three counts of enticement of a child. All of the crimes involved underage boys.
Former Kanakuk Kamp mom Amanda Tackett, a journalist, who normally writes about the lighter, more humorous things in life, is dead serious when she says Kamp officials were well aware of the serious issues surrounding Newman. She left this comment on one of my older posts earlier this evening:
I am a former Kanakuk mom. I've already spoken to law enforcement, and have been quoted in the media previously. I am a writer, journalist, but most importantly a Christian. This entire situation makes me sick.
To address some of the earlier comments, yes, the camp knew, or should have known there were issues with Newman going back several years. My daughter returned from K-Kountry her last year reporting that there was something wrong with Newman. I asked a lot of questions, and two days after we returned to Dallas, she told me, "Pete is gay." I told her how serious a claim that was, and she recounted numerous instances when Newman isolated boys in the woods. She was only 10, and yet she knew.
One of the boys she knew, as he was on the bus the first year she attended. He is from Dallas, and no matter what anyone wants to think, there are more victims out there.
I called the camp and spoke to two different staffers. My cell phone records back this up. I reported my daughter's observations as delicately but honestly as I could. I was told they would look into it, and get back to me. I was shocked the following day when I received a return call. They had "investigated" my daughter's complaints and wanted me to know that her counselors and Newmand felt "she didn't have a heart for Christ." They went on to detail how my daughter wasn't into sports enough to make it another year at Kanakuk. That's funny, my husband is a former college athlete, his father was a 1st round NBA draft pick, and she's been involved in Upward and a variety of sports her entire life. But, whatever.
I asked, "Okay, you've got an opinion about my child, but what about Pete?" I was then lectured, much like the admonishment on this blog about starting rumors. They also asked "if" we attended church, ever.
The camp knew. I know they knew. My complaint came well after 2001. If anything, it should have been a "second strike" for some further investigation, but instead they diminished my daughter.
I was furious when I got the email from Joe White. I called Kanakuk and told them about my call to the camp three (now four) summers ago. "That just doesn't sound like something we would say," is what I was told.
I would NEVER, ever send my child there again, and I would strongly encourage others, based on the FACTS of how they have handled this entire situation to re-think Kanakuk for their children. There are numerous other faith-based camps and activities in which our kids can participate.
Biblical law protects two classes in society: the very old, and the very young. Kanakuk needs to get very real and very honest about what has happened.
I'm writing this on March 2, 2010. Newman has pleaded guilty. I'm not interested in any more hand-wringing over all the "ifs." This is now an "is." Right now, this is about justice and punishment, for the sake of the victims, and to remove this blight from society.
Newman sought to deceive everyone around him, but he cannot hide from the Lord. It's senseless to speculate on "if" he's a Christian or not. The Lord will take care of his ever-after. Right now, we need to focus on punishment.
Each of his victims will serve a life sentence in their own right. I'm good with 171 years.
Taney County Circuit Court Judge Mark Orr ordered a pre-sentencing investigation and set Newman's sentencing for April 30 in Taney County Circuit Court.
AMEN and AMEN!
ReplyDeleteWhen evaluating what sort of sentence to impose, I surely hope that "no prior convictions" or "no history of criminal behavior", etc. will be used as a justifications for a lower sentence. Those things do NOT MEAN that he's never committed these crimes before, just that he's never gotten caught. WE ALL KNOW that he's been up to this behavior for at least 10 years, and displayed signs of doing the same things back during his Auburn days.
ReplyDeleteONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT things to remember is what a hilariously funny, charasmatic character he is. He puts you at ease b/c he cracks you up with every word that comes out of his mouth. When you're at ease, you drop your guard. (And you ASSUME that he's been properly vetted by Kanakuk, and therefore you trust him b/c you assume they KNOW that he's trustWORTHY). Two big mistakes. His personality appears to be one thing, but it is a facade, carefully created to disguise the true heart behind the face. I hope that probation officers, attorneys, judges, etc. will learn this for themselves, b/c it's paramount to understanding this scum and giving him the proper sentence.
If camp doesn't step up soon, and demonstrate some PRO-ACTIVE cooperation in this sentencing (since they weren't proactive during the investigation....they merely answered ?s when asked), then people are going to come forth with info./suits that are going to expose the truth they've been hiding. Camp: It's time to TALK OPENLY and HONESTLY.
Victims: Pray. God knows your pain. He is NOT asleep. He loves you. He cares. You are not forgotten. You are young men of God and He is writing His story through you, and one day, we hope that you'll be able to stand and testify to His goodness, faithfulness, even during this darkness. You are precious in His sight. He will NOT FAIL YOU, no matter how it might seem now. He is the beginning and the end of all things, including this. Satan, alone, is to be blamed. Pete was/is used by Satan. It is appropriate for Pete to be punished for the rest of his life for these CHOICES he made. They were choices. They were NOT yours'. You were children, influenced by a "bigger than life" trusted mentor that you only knew to trust. How horrible a person he was/is to have harmed you in this way. He really needs to be removed from society forever, and you need to know that this is just. God will deal with his eternity. But in this life, he must submit to the authority placed over him by law and that is also biblical. For now, go be everything God designed you to be. Reach for the stars. Have faith. Do good. Proclaim His faithfulness. Sing His praises. Forgive Pete. And move on into the wonderful life that God has planned for you. All of you are awesome kids and young adults. And remember, Satan doesn't need to mess with the Christians who are asleep at the wheel. He doesn't need to worry about the ineffective people. It's the ones who are a threat to his darkness that he's going to try to bring down. That means you were a threat to him. So, remember that. Continue to stand for Christ. Continue to be a threat to the enemy. You have not been defeated. Satan is. We have won. To God be the glory! Much love to you!
If this "situation" was not so sad, this "article" would be laughable. Mrs. Tackett, you sound ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteUmmm...anon at 6:24...
ReplyDeleteAllow me to pass along my opinion about Pete. He wasn't a counselor at Kanakuk because he wanted to serve the Lord. He was there to hunt. Sure, he may have been a target of Satan, but then again...we all are.
Newman chose a job that gave him access to feed his fetish and evil intent. He was cunning, calculating, and worked hard to create a perfect cover for his actions. HE WAS THERE TO HUNT.
I've read EVERY comment on this blog. For the sake of the victims and their families, please STOP telling these kids and parents what to feel, how to feel...and lecture them on their spiritual walk. Let these victims and their parents FEEL their FEELINGS.
Allow them to forgive, or not, in God's time, not per your anonymous advice. Many of the victims are only now, months after we knew and YEARS after the ritualistic abuse, beginning the process of admitting what they've been through.
It's easy for us, the ones on the outside to throw out a lot of "coulda, woulda, shoulda." I can't imagine what the parents and families are coping with.
We can't will away pain. Sin. Evil. But, for now, we (as a society) can prevent Newman from having access to children in the future. We can also hold accountable, i.e. PUNISH him for his disgusting behavior.
Please, let these victims grieve, mourn, feel, and heal on their terms. And, don't require them to "forgive," not now. They need time.
I believe this writer. Are summer camps mandated child abuse reporters like pediatricians? If so, should not the management of Kanakuk be investigated to determine if they were alerted by any parents of possible improprieties? Like some others, I find it hard to believe there were absolutely no signs over a decade.
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ReplyDeleteI think you meant to say, "Anonymous at 6:48 insteand of 6:24."
Thanks Amanda, for your honesty. You are NOT ridiculous. You are simply sharing your experience and most people would believe you, especially after the way all this has been handled....or NOT handled, I should say.
ABSOLUTELY they are mandated reporters.
ReplyDeleteBut, they didn't report ALL that they knew, or ALL that should have been reported back in 99, 01, 03.....There is documentation out there in the hands of authorities and others that can substantiate this.
6:24 is simply trying to encourage the victims and tell them they are deeply cared for by the Lord...and that they can move on from this and be healed and whole. That's all. I know, b/c I wrote it and I'm the mom of a victim! So, be careful. I realize that each victim will do this on their own timetable, obviously.
ReplyDelete10:43, I think you are incorrect. Amanda knew who she was referrencing...
ReplyDeleteAs the parent of a victim, I want it to be known, the best source of comfort for my son, since this whole thing with Pete Newman broke, has been from Kanakuk people. Kanakuk means a lot to many of us. Comments like this post heap more pain on some of us, who believe in Kanakuk and it's people. Please consider that when you "assume" you are helping victims.
ReplyDeleteIf I may elaborate, on my position...
ReplyDeleteI grew up with a boy who was molested by a Catholic priest named Rudy Koss. The subsequent ligitgation (civil) placed a $100+ million dollar award against the church. (I am not Catholic, not that it matters.) But somehow in the media reports, gossip, and drama, my friend was lost. This happened in middle school/junior high. He tried for years to reconcile what happened to him. He struggled. There were so many conflicting opinions: get over it, you're a victim, you should have told, how dare you sue the church, blah, blah, blah. He never had the ability to heal. I believe the worst aspect of the abuse was that it caused him to question his sexuality. He eventually decided he "had" to be gay, and that he somehow "caused" the abuse. I watched this boy unravel before my eyes. It was tragic.
He committed suicide at the age of 20.
I think as parents, we are collectively more aware of the need to "talk" about things than even 20 or 25 years ago. I pray for these victims, and their families. I pray for Newman, too.
He's obviously sick. What I can't seem to understand is the camp's (non)response to all of this. I can't speak to anything else but my own attempt at reporting Newman's behavior, and my own experience dealing with an abuse victim in a religious setting. I just find Kanakuk's response (twice) to me, and smearing our family (in the call and on this blog) to be...disgusting. Perhaps more than Newman himself.
I am willing to put my name on my comments. I want the families to know that I care, I believe the boys, and I know without a doubt they can heal from this.
It seems like there is a lot of "Pete Newman" worship, and worship of Kanakuk. I hope that we can place our devotion towards God, and not a man or a camp.
I'm just so sorry about all of this. I regret that I know what I know, but I am accountable to the Lord.
I find it so hard to believe that parents of victims would not want the truth about Kanakuk to be revealed. It makes me wonder if those posting as a "parent of a victim" and stating they believe Kanakuk is in no way culpable and should be "left alone" are actually associated with a victim at all.
ReplyDeleteKanakuk should be thoroughly investigated. All of the truth regarding Mr. Newman, his time at Kanakuk and what administration at Kamp knew should come out and be dealt with. Such an investigation would be for the sake of all future campers...there at Kanakuk...and other camps around the country.
Any "parent of a victim" would never, ever want another child to go through what these boys have gone through. They would welcome and encourage a thorough investigation to insure such. If this investigation finds Kanakuk did every thing right...GREAT!
People post that Kanakuk has done so much good and brought so many to Christ...as if all of the non-victims matter and the victims are people to be sacrificed for the overall good of the Kamp. This is ABSOLUTELY not right!
To 5:59
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree with you more. This deserves attention so parents can learn. I sent my child to Kanakuk last year. Knowing what I do now, I won't send him to Kanakuk again. I won't send him to any camp. I hadn't thought much about how pedophiles would be drawn to kids' camps. And, if they didn't have a record, nothing would prevent them from harming children until caught.
I agree with the previous two posters. The safety of campers at any camp should be first priority...Christian camp or non-faith based camps. I can't help but believe the posters who are defending Kanakuk are some how affiliated with the camp and are posing as parents of victims or camp parents. It just does not make any sense that they would not understand and support the importance of getting to the truth of the matter through an investigation. Many questions need to be answered by Kanakuk and anyone with a true concern for former and future campers would want honest answers to the difficult questions.
ReplyDeleteI am very skeptical of anyone not in support of an investigation that would alleviate all speculation and put to rest this matter once and for all.
I wish the national media would take note of this story. I believe there would be interest, especially during these months when parents are considering camps. Many are opposed to media attention because it would be painful for the victims. Yet the public needs information about crimes like this to protect their children and make informed decisions. The camp's successes with some children does not earn it a pass if it created an atmosphere which allowed other children to be harmed.
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ReplyDeleteAbsolutely agree with you. You are right that some victims families would not welcome this attention. But, actually, as this case heads to the sentencing phase the attention could bring much needed pressure to the courts to impose the maximum sentence.
And as you said, educate parents and camps as to the importance of being very, very vigilant in keeping an extremely close eye on the employees and counselors at camps and making sure very strict policies regarding how these employees and counselors interact with campers is STRICTLY enforced.
....and to remind and educate camps and parents considering sending their kids to camp...
ReplyDeleteIt is kids camps, schools, church youth groups, boy/girl scouts, youth sports, etc...anywhere children can be found...is where pedophiles place themselves to have easy access to children. Statistics show one (1) in four (4) girls and one (1) in seven(7) boys will experience some sort of molestation before the age of 18. This, of course, covers a very broad spectrum of types of abuse...from a one time incident to perpetual abuse for years. In over 90% of these cases, the molestation is at hands of a trusted person. Look it up...very scary and very eye opening!
WOW...I did look it up.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.darkness2light.org/KnowAbout/statistics_2.asp
This site was very helpful and informative.
You don't believe that a true "parent of a victim" would support Kanakuk and you imply that I am not being honest. What would make you feel better...if I told you about how Pete told my son that he wouldn't lose his purity if he let him touch him and make him feel things that WOULD be sinful if he did it with a girl. Do you want me to tell you about how he called him all summer and told him that he would never give anyone his name, so he would NEVER need to tell anyone the things Pete did to him. How about how Pete would talk to him about lust and it's sinfulness, unless of course he did these things w/Pete who would "teach" him what is right and wrong and how someday it would make it easier when he was with a girl....I could go on and on. You self rightous people who think your view is the only possible correct way. I have received numerous emails from Kanakuk telling me of the steps they are taking to ensure that it will be safer than ever. I believe them. I WILL NOT ALLOW ONE MAN and his evil, ruin what I know to be a safe place for my kids to grow, laugh, play and learn about the Lord. I'm sorry if what I say doesn't "fit" your standard for a victim's parent, but sadly YOU ARE WRONG. I Know what I know and I know what I believe and I BELIEVE that Kanakuk kamps did not know that Pete Newman was molesting boys. All of my kids will be at kamp again this summer.
ReplyDeleteThe idea that Kanakuk Kamps officials were aware of Pete's malfeasance is utterly fabricated and, I'm sorry to say, the product of an overactive and angry, though well-meaning, imagination.
ReplyDeleteI have worked as a counselor for the past four years, two of them under Pete. Let me first say that girls and guys are VERY rarely together at the camp at which Pete worked. The very notion that a female camper would be aware of something that escaped the notice every single male and female counselor, director, office staff, maintenance staff, volunteer, and office worker present would be absolutely ridiculous to anyone actually aware of the kamp structure.
I understand that the majority of Pete's actions took place when camp was not in session, but this journalist's allegations revolve around her daughter's one- to two-week time at camp, and I'm afraid they just don't stand up to logic. This mother has every reason to be angry at Pete's actions, but much, much less to be equally angry with Kanakuk Kamps. The most ridiculous accusation is that Kanakuk outlined her daughter's lack of athletic ability. Regardless of the fact that the validity of this statement is undermined by her somewhat petty outlining of her husband and father-in-law's athletic achievements, or the fact that a parent's athleticism has little to do with that of their children, or the fact that she ended this tirade with the word's "But, whatever," this simply cannot be the case. The specific camp which her daughter must have attended is by far (by FAR) the least concerned with sports or athletic ability. 7 to 11 year olds are not expected to be star athletes! And the notion that Kanakuk would measure her daughter's spiritual fervor by her sportiness is remarkable, and obviously the result of a misunderstanding. I presume that the people with whom she spoke were either poor communicators or that they did not grovel politely enough. I also assume that this mother's righteous concern was materialized in less righteous anger and understanding.
Pete Newman was wrong, and that is very sad and horrible. But Kanakuk Kamps strives to glorify the Lord, not cover up heinous sin and allow for its perpetuation. This is a libelous article and should be taken with a grain of salt.
I believe Amanda...I work with survivors of child sexual abuse. Kanakuk could be defined as the "non-offending parent" - the one who perhaps "knew something wasn't quite right" - "ignored the signs either willing or through denial" - and , most importantly....the one that if a child came and told on the offender, the parent ( Kanakuk in this case) or the person in authority did not believe the child - .
ReplyDeleteDid Kanakuk know Pete was molesting hundreds of boys over the course of the years? Of course not. Did they have signs and complaints from parents and children that something was wrong with Pete ?( ie - exhibitionist behavior as early as 2001) Absolutely!! Mr. or Mrs. 3:54 - do a little reading on child sexual abuse and your thoughts/feelings about the subject may change. The non-offending parent ( Kanakuk - possibly in this case) can do great damage to the children who came forward....Having an authority figure not believe your claim or "side" with the abuser just creates more damage. Yes - I know you will say that the writer's daughter was not abused - but did the fact that Kanakuk did not investigate her claims or others lead to the victimization of countless other boys?
You say that Kanakuk is there to glorify God and I agree...yet what about management/Joe White - taking ownership of their own sin in this awful situation? How about they admit they had lax policies - they had Pete "glorified" as an idol, and most likely denied, overlooked countless signs that something was not right with this man. Kanakuk does have sin on their hands....they need to come clean. I have seen a lot of emails from Kanakuk about tightening policy - yet none about changing policy at the management level : i.e. - accountability for the directors, prayer mentors, approval for ministry outside of Kanakuk ( pete's trips, etc) -or his grooming pool - The Ironman Bible Study. Were these all approved by management? I want to hear more from management about what they are doing to change THEIR behavior so this never happens again!
Don't be so quick to discount the claims of the writer. You sound like another "non-offending parent."
Well, here we go, another anonymous opinion. I assure you that camp officials WERE aware of Pete's actions, as I told them. To be perfectly frank, I described specific things my daughter saw. And whereas boys and girls not together most of the time, I have SEVERAL DOZEN photographs that show otherwise.
ReplyDeleteI relayed in my comment EXACTLY what was said to me by a Kanakuk employee AFTER my complaint. Oh, and anonymous, what I wrote wasn't "an article." It was a comment on a blog.
I was told by Kanakuk that after speaking with my daughter's counselors and Pete, they determined that she "didn't have a heart for Christ." And, "she's just not that into sports." When I said "whatever," it was MY feeling...I was talking to someone who wasn't responsive to my concerns that Pete Newman was inappropriate with boys at camp. Instead of limiting the response to that one issue, a Kanakuk employee attacked the character of a 10 year old girl. It was like talking to a wall. So, yeah, whatever.
I kept a contemporary record of the calls. The explanation, if that's what you want to call it from Kanakuk was absurd. It was ridiculous, and would have been funny had the content of my concern not been so very serious.
What you fail to recognize is that my daughter was smeared, just as I am being smeared by your obtuse commentary FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH. You may not like the truth, you may not want to believe it, but look at your comment on this blog. I have a Biblical mandate to be a speaker of truth.
Let's not forget, my daughter's observations came well after the incidents in previous years...10 years ago, 5 years ago, etc. Kanakuk knew there was a problem, and they placed children at risk. It's just that simple.
God gave us discernment, and the ablilty to make informed decisions. It's absolutely WRONG to come on this or any other forum and smear a fellow Christian. I am 100% certain of the content of my report, and conversations with Kanakuk. I'm not mistaken. You simply refuse to use the discernment the Lord gave you.
Do you think your comment glorifies the Lord? Is this what they teach employees at Kanakuk? Because it sounds a lot like the results of their "investigation" to my concerns.
Well you pretty much have to call Amanda a liar if you're going to say Kanakuk is not at least somewhat responsible for what's happened. What motive would this woman have to smear this camp. Do you think she wants to Kanakuk to continue to suffer. I fully agree with her and support her and it's completely clear whether either actively or passively that Kanakuk bears a great deal of responsibility in this entire situation with Pete.
ReplyDeleteKanakuk has every reason and motive right now to minimize their part in this as law suits are sure to pile up if they come clean with what they knew and how they knew.
I don't think the skeptics on this forum would believe Amanda even if she had conversations taped with phone records to back them up.
Believe what you want but ask this question who has the most to gain by coming out with this information (Amanda) or denying this information (Kanakuk).
I think if you use the brain the good Lord gave you it will be quite clear.
I have scoured these blogs as this situation has hit very close to home as I knew Pete and Katie in college. One thing is very clear that there were MULTIPLE SIGNS IF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE OPENED THEIR EYES AND LOOKED that this was going on. As well I've read at least two or three stories of people that attempted to contact Kanakuk but were dismissed abruptly.
Again I pray for all to heal not only the victims but Pete and his family as well. I am praying that the news media picks this up not to further the pain of the victims but so that ALL the facts will come to light and we can learn how to never allow something like this to happen again. Amanda I appreciate your honesty and candor and willingness to bring this to the light.
Wow, Amanda. It almost sounds like you are out to GET Kanakuk. Hmmmmmm....could it be? But then you ARE soooo discerning, if you do say so YOURSELF.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the latest anonymous attack comment...
ReplyDeleteFurther evidence of the ridiculous, inflammatory nonsense thrown out to detract from the issue.
No, I'm not out to "get" Kanakuk. However, I will not allow inaccuracies and half-truths to fester.
And, no, dear anonymous, in this circumstance I was discerning. At least not enough. I feel incredibly convicted in my own heart that I didn't contact law enforcement when my daughter told me what she saw. Had I done that, perhaps other boys would have been spared the trauma of what happened at the hands of Pete Newman. I made the assumption that Kanakuk would HAVE to deal with/report the issue to the authorities. I was wrong. My lack of discernment placed additional boys at the mercy of a pedophile. I have prayed for forgiveness, but even now, I don't feel that I did enough.
So, again, Kanakuk supporters leaving anonymous comments on this blog, I ask you: does attacking me edify the body of Christ? Do your comments glorify God?
Amanda, do yours? For all I know, you may be right, but you sound BEYOND self-righteous.
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ReplyDeleteI am a kanakuker...never a kamper, but I spent many, many summers as a staff person at k-kountry. Kanakuk is a great place, I am one of thousands who grew leaps and bounds as a believer and as a man through my time there at kamp. Guess what...people at kamp sin. I'm not talking about Pete (that one is obvious), I'm talking about whomever you spoke with on the phone when you called with your concerns. You chronicled all the details of your phone call, did you keep track of WHO exactly you talked with? Was it a director? An assistant? An office girl? I know each director from all the kamps very well,and have for many years, and I just don't believe that any of them would speak to you that way. It doesn't excuse what someone said, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that it wasn't a leader at kamp.
The reality is, at k-kountry, boys and girls are with each other a lot. They are with each other every night during the evening activities, and are around each other during the day, mostly just because the kamp isn't very big and they pass each other. They don't do daily activities or devo's or meals together, aside from the occasional party night dinner. I'm not sure how your 10 year old daughter could be more intuitive than the hundreds of people Pete worked with for years at kamp, including Joe White, Will Cunningham (the most discerning person I know), etc, etc.
Maybe kamp is at fault in the sense that they employed a pedophile. Are they to blame then for each sin committed by a staff member? Is kanakuk a liar because of a lie told by a staff member? Is kanakuk a thief if a staff member steals? Is kanakuk a cheat if a staff member cheats during a game? No, the fact is the emotion of this causes people to cast blame almost everywhere. Pete is the one and only place where anger and venom should be cast.
Thank you to the kamp mom who is sending her kids back, she is right.
Oh...and, Amanda, all kanakuk supporters aren't afraid to leave their names. I'll even leave my email address for those who would like to discuss this further: adamharrington05@gmail.com
There's a difference between sounding self righteous and wanting justice to be done. In a situation where there has been so much evil it seems more than biblical and appropriate to pursue the truth even if a Christian camp that has been respected for years has to come clean to some painful truths about themselves. There's a difference between being abusive (Pete) and just being negligent (kanakuk). I think best scenario Kanakuk was extremely negligent.
ReplyDeleteI think her sounding self righteous to you is her attempt to bring facts and ugly realities and shinning the light on them.
I think it's interesting to think that they if had investigated her daughters claims we may have saved many children from having soul damage done to them that will be take years to heal from.
Yes, I understand that there is a difference between sounding self-righteous and wanting justice to be done. That's why I said self-righteous.
ReplyDeletewell obviously this situation is very emotion laden so I would expect people to state their position with passion I don't see how pursuing the truth with passion is self righteous.
ReplyDeleteShe even confessed she's asked for forgiveness for not pursuing this even further and how her not following up with the authorities allowed other children to be abused. That seems pretty humble to me which is pretty much the very opposite of being self righteous.
Adam, thank you for a thoughtful response. Anyone wishing to contact me may do so via my webpage at www.amandatackett.com.
ReplyDeleteIn response to some of your questions:
To me, it matters not the job title of the person I spoke to. The reality is that yet another person called me back, so at least 2 people going up the line knew of my concerns. In hindsight, I strongly believe that when I made the call, my concerns were taken to Pete directly, and he spoke with my daughter's counselors, or they spoke to the person who called me back together. Either way, my concerns were not addressed. It was open season on my (still) minor daughter.
I can tell you exactly how my daughter was so intuitive: 1) my husband and I both work in creative fields, and that means we know a lot of gay people, 2) we have several gay family members, and 3) when she was age 2-6 we belonged to a gym where a female employee molested boys in the childcare center. The police provided information to parents and the kids as to what was/was not appropriate touching, jokes, and boundaries.
To be perfectly frank with you, after she said that "Pete is gay," I was floored. She said, "My gay-dar has been on over-drive." She spoke (and still does) of feeling incredibly uncomfortable with the way Newman looked at and touched boys. She also said Newman seemed to favor some boys over others, and would ask/invite them to help him move equipment, and that he was alone with boys. I told her I needed to know specifics. Out of respect for the victims and their families, I will not re-count her descriptions. But, I will tell you we had to define the difference between friendly "touching" in the context of sports vs. something that indicated a problem. I had her demonstrate on me (as the boys) what she saw. I felt at that point that there was merit to her feeling ill at ease with what she reported to me.
Adam, we are all only human. I say this because I don't "hate" Kanakuk. My concerns were not taken seriously, and as a result, I would not send my daughter back. I have some serious concerns about what has happened, as we all do with Newman's actions. I also have concerns about the way Kanakuk has handled the aftermath. I'm incredibly disappointed at the Kanakuk supporters, many who claim to be either current or former counselors. I may be incorrect, but I believe you are the only supporter to put a name on your comments. The spiteful nature of these anonymous attacks directed any me and anyone who has questioned Kanakuk are a huge red flag. I wouldn't want people like that around my child even if the Newman situation hadn't occurred. But, it did. And, so here we are.
You asked a series of "if" questions about responsiblity on the part of Kanakuk. Yes, Adam, I believe Kanakuk is partially responsible for the suffering of these victims and their parents. When Cain asks, "Am I my brother's keeper?" (Gen 4:9), the answer is YES. We all are.
To operate a program like Kanakuk, the program is literally taking the welfare of each and every child into its own hands. Had Newman been terminated 9 or 10 years ago, when the first questionable circumstances were addressed my opinion would differ. However, there were numerous instances that Kanakuk chose to ignore, explain away, or obfuscate.
As Christians, we are held to the standard of Christ. Not just a "higer" standard, but the higest. I'm certainly not perfect. We all fall short. But, when the lives of children are in the balance, I'm not willing to sweep the facts under the rug.
The content of my original comment which was pulled out by this blog's owner/publisher and made into a post was this: at this point, he has pled guilty, and I believe his repetitive offenses warrant the maximum sentence allowable by law.
Well, if the leadership doesn't start stepping up to the plate and being honest about what they knew and when they knew it, I'M TAKING THE DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that I hold in my hands to the media, and to my attorney. Actually, my attorney gave it to me. He's just waiting on a decision about what we'll do with it. All this time, I've been waiting and praying that camp would do the right thing and be honest. Doesn't look like they have it in them. So..............all I can say to the nay-sayers is that you'll soon see that your glib little fantasy of a no-fault-kanakuk is about to come to a screaching halt.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Amanda, Cain actually murdered Abel. So when he tried to say he wasn't his brother's keeper, the circumstances were a little different.
ReplyDeleteSecond, Kanakuk probably does bear some responsibility here for not digging deep to hold Newman accountable when questions were raised. However, one can certainly understand why and how things may have gone the way they did, at least to some extent. This should be a lesson to Kanakuk, as well as churches and para-church ministries everywhere, but I find it difficult to believe that Kanakuk leadership actually believed this was going on and just let it happen.
Third (and this is to Amanda and others), would you be any more merciful if Newman himself had been sexually abused as a child?
I can't answer the question without facts.
ReplyDeleteSurely no one believes that Kanakuk KNEW that Mr. Newman was molesting children for years at Kamp and just turned a blind eye and let it happen! I certainly don't believe that.
ReplyDeleteBut, what I do believe is that the policies and procedures that Kanakuk had/has in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening were NOT upheld. Policies such as no extended one-on-one time with campers. If these policies and procedures had been adhered to by Mr. Newman and overseen by kamp officials, the environment would not have been there for Mr. Newman to abuse these boys. It was the "lax" environment at Kanakuk that allowed Mr. Newman to begin the grooming process with the boys while at kamp.
For this reason the Kamp needs to be investigated and held responsible for their part, which IS NOT ADHERING TO THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES put in place to protect the campers.
These polices and procedures were the reason so many parents felt Kanakuk was a safe place to send their children, but if they are not upheld then they are not worth the paper they are written on!
No, I do not believe that Kanakuk was aware the molestation was happening and just let it continue. They obviously trusted Mr. Newman so much that the rules did not apply to him. They let their guard down. It is personal opinion as to if this constitutes culpability.
It is more than just personal opinion as to if Kanakuk is culpable...it is also up to the investigators to determine if they are culpable under the law. If they are, they should be charged with the appropriate charges. If no "law" has been broken and no charges can be brought...then if culpability is shown, then the victims have concrete evidence on which to file a civil suit if desired.
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ReplyDeleteWOW! I am trying my absolute best to even begin to understand how you could send your children back to Kanakuk this summer...to the place where is all began for your victimized son. I, personally, would have a very hard time doing that. I would be so worried that it would bring up so much emotion for my children, remembering and knowing all that happened. Wow.
I am sure you and your family have determined it is what is best for your children and your family. Continued strength.
All of you Kanakuk supporters who are so certain there was no wrong doing on the part of camp management should welcome an investigation. All parents considering sending children to camp should insist on intense scrutiny. I'm sorry for the new camp parents who didn't receive the e-mail from Joe White which brought this to my attention and has caused me to so closely follow any information I can find. They should know about this.
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ReplyDeleteNo, any past abuse Newman experienced doesn't change my attitude about his heinous acts. There are people who suffer abuse who do not in turn abuse others. He should receive the max. sentence so he can't do this to other children. How would you feel if he was shown mercy with a shorter sentence then continued to abuse children when released?
I am 9:19...
ReplyDeleteI was not necessarily arguing that it should matter, I was just asking. Personally I am very torn about this case because of my personal ties to the situation.
I do think it is an interesting question though. It kind of gets at the different philosophical rationales behind criminal penalties. If all you care about is locking him up so that he can't do anything like this again, then he should get the max sentence. But there are people who would view criminal penalties more as purely punishment for wrongdoing. In light of Amanda's experience with a child sexual abuse victim, I was curious if she (and others) would be more merciful if that kid had not committed suicide but had gone on to do things like Newman did. If so, I think that anger should be tempered with mercy considering that nobody on this blog knows that Newman himself was not abused.
To my friend at 9:02p.m:
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of documented evidence do you have? You may not be able to say, but I'm just curious.
4:40
ReplyDeleteYou are trying to understand how I can send my kids back to kamp, where it all began for my son?
First of all...it didn't begin at kamp for my son. Yes, he met Pete at kamp and that is how we knew him, but nothing ever happened at Kamp. It didn't happen in the summer either.
Secondly, my kids went to kamp last year. I didn't know it at the time, but my son had already been molested. He was no longer young enough to go to K-Kountry and had moved on to another kamp. He LOVES being at kamp. Kamp is so much more than one person. It is my son's choice to continue on at Kanakuk. He had his best year last year and can't wait to go again this year--Pete is gone, kamp is taking every step to learn from what has happened and I am comfortable and confident in how they will ensure the safety in this new era.
Amanda, You say you don't Hate kanakuk. I don't believe you. You say your daugther's "gay-dar" was up, how comforting for you that your 10 year old has "gay-dar". You say you don't care who you told your concerns to because someone different called you back and they had talked to Pete. If you trusted your 10 year old so much, why wouldn't you have called and talked to someone in Leadership or in the business office or even left a message for Joe White? Again, I will just say that it is obvious that you have a desire to hurt kanakuk, perhaps in the same way they hurt you. Have you called Doug Goodwin or Joe White with any of your story and talked directly with them? Or is this type of blogging more your style? Don't be so impressed with yourself for putting your name out there. I'm not impressed.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for responding to me regarding your intent to send your son (and I assume other children) to kamp. I have never been to Kanakuk, though I do know parents who have sent their children there.
So, since I have not been there, help me to understand what it is about that particular Christian camp...and what I mean is, there are many wonderful faith based camps around the country...the world for that matter...and I still do not understand why you choose to send your children back to the place where it all started. Because, it did start there, with the introduction of your son to Pete Newman. Why not choose a new camp that does not have all of the emotional baggage attached? What is it about Kanakuk? Why does it have to be that camp? I still sit in amazement...there is no way I could do it...just no way.
Once again, I am sure you and your family have talked it through and feel it is the best for your personal situation and I certainly do not judge or condemn your decision. Because if it is just safety you are worried about, I have no doubt it will be safe, considering what is at stake for the camp and Joe White. It will probably be THE safest camp in the country!!
But, I have to be honest...it just makes no sense. I would want to separate myself and my children as much as possible from the place that housed my son's molestor.
It would not be just about safety...it would be about my, my son's, and my other children's emotional well being. I would not be able to go through the gates and walk the same ground that Pete Newman walked in search of his victims. It would be just too much...for me!
As before...continued strength.
9:19 and 6:50
ReplyDeleteHe should spent the rest of his life in jail, abused as a child or not. Mainly for the safety of the children he would surely molest if released.
Compassion for Pete Newman has nothing to do with how long he spends in jail. If I so choose or feel so compelled, I can be compassionate while he serves his time in prison.
It was a concern for Pete and his feelings that allowed him to perpetuate the molesting of children for over 10 years. If someone had cared less for this adult's feelings and more about the red flags that were continually being waived by Mr. Newman himself and the allegations that were being made by parents to the powers at Kanakuk over the years, then it is possible we would not all be commenting on blogs today.
He can organize or join a prison ministry and continue practicing his "heart for the lord" behind bars.
Hello, yet another anonymous attack (8:03).
ReplyDeleteAs I said, before I don't hate Kanakuk.
My daughter is a kid, and it was her description, i.e. the use of the word "gay-dar" in discussing Newman. And, no, it doesn't comfort me in the least that my we live in a fallen world. Again, I am stating facts. I am sorry that you are unable to process the information without sarcasm.
I don't know what you expected me to do after I recieved the "investigation" return call. It was clear at that time Kanakuk was not interested in my concerns over Newman's behavior. They wanted to smear my child and my family.
I did, in fact, call Kanakuk on 9/15/09, the same day we receivied the "Former Employee" email. I spoke and was transferred 2 times to different employees, and finally asked to speak with or leave a message for Joe White. The employee was INCREDULOUS that I would "demand" (in her words) to speak with him. I asked her to leave a message. I explained my call from years past, and the return call, and her response wasn't "I'll have someone call you." No, her response was, "That just doesn't sound like something we would do." (!) Anonymous, that sounds EXACTLY to me, given my experience with Kanakuk, like something Kanakuk would do. You can't possibly know how disgusted I was last September. The mere thought more boys were probably harmed because my complaint was handled was SICKENING.
If I have learned one thing about Kanakuk in this experience it is this: Kanakuk and its supporters only see/hear what they WANT to. And, that's not always grounded in truth. It doesn't matter if I sent a letter, hired a carrier pigeon, or knocked on Kanankuk's door in person. My facts weren't, aren't, and won't be welcomed to those who chose to ignore the truth.
As I said before,I was quoted in the media before, and Kankuk certainly knows how to contact us, because they've done it before via email and telephone. So, what would be my goal in continuing to contact Kanakuk? More smears? More abuse? The truth is, they don't want to hear from me, or anyone who has looked at this situation with a discerning eye.
And you truly think I "am trying to hurt Kanakuk in the same way they hurt" me? I want to be clear, I'm not "hurt" in ANY way. I was angry, and rightfully so, at how I was handled, but I don't have an ax to grind. There are hundreds of camps and ministries we can invest our times in, all doing good things. Kanakuk, based on past behavior isn't on my family's list. End of story. You seem to want to assign some sort of motive to my actions. My motive is truth, and that's it.
And here's something you really won't like. I don't live to impress you. I am accountable to God. That's where my priorities lay. Not with a man, or a camp program, but with the Lord. I'm not ashamed to associate my name with the truth.
I didn't ask for my comment on this blog to be made into another entire thread, but it was. I can't control that. I am certain of my experience with Kanakuk, and assert again, that Kanakuk had ample reasons over the course of a decade to recognize that Newman was being inappropriate with boys. They didn't. Newman got caught, and has pled guilty. And, I feel the maxiumum punishment is fair.
You know, with all this said, I can't help but grieve for the families and victims of pedophiles at other facilities. All around there is not enough accountability with organizations involved with children and teens.
ReplyDeleteI have, in the past, been associated with a Christian girls home for troubled teens in Texas. A situation with a female staff member luring some of these girls into her confidence and then making sexual approaches repeated itself often. Granted, in this type of environment false accusations can occur often, but it was not the case here. Even when brought to light by a former resident, the staff member was fired. And then RE-HIRED just a year or two later... after this particular victim had started working there.
This situation came up again with a friend's daughter just before Pete's story came out last summer. And what has happened to the woman at fault? Nothing. She's now off somewhere in Arizona, most likely working at a similarly styled facility. Even with police and CPS involvement, it has somehow fizzled out. Mostly, I believe, because the administration at this facility were soooo incredibly cooperative and just "shocked" that this happened. One of the most terrible things about it? Hearing that one of the victims found out about Pete's case (she was a former kamper at K-Seven). The only thing she said about it to her mother was that she didn't understand why Pete was being held accountable and this woman, who committed an almost identical counterpart to his crimes, was not.
I don't doubt that Kamp heard of something like this prior to it all coming out. But I also know, from my experience of working with Pete, that I wouldn't have given much thought to the matter either. It would have been dismissed easily, chalked up to the fact that a kamper was most likely mistaken. This is terrible, I'll admit. But, when someone you know and work with for years is accused of something once or twice it's difficult to change your mind from what you believe to be true.
I don't know, but another thing may simply be that a good deal of these questions concerning Pete's behavior just never reached the same ears more than once or twice. Kanakuk is a huge organization and the staff moves around quite often in their positions. It's unfortunate, but possible that things simply got lost in the shuffle.
Mostly, though, I am simply grateful that Pete is going to be held accountable for all of his actions, both now on earth and later. As I said before, so many victims don't get to see justice done. So many criminals get away scotch free. It's so incredibly heartbreaking to me.
Amanda,
As a former kamper (who REALLY wasn't all that great at sports) and summer staff member at K-Kountry (possibly even at the time your daughter attended), I am appalled at the way you were spoken to about your daughter and your concerns. I always felt that Kanakuk placed a very strong emphasis on showing Christ's love to children and their families. It was impressed upon us as the top priority. I am so sorry that this was not the case in your experience.
Best,
Lauren Peters
Could it be the very, very vehement supporters of Kanakuk are scared they may lose their job if Kanakuk is investigated, or if Amanda is right?
ReplyDeleteWhy else would these commentors be so impassioned? They must have a personal reason, such as they are employed by Kanakuk and in this tough economy are worried they will not have a job. Understandable, if true. But, also very sad they are forced to defend their employer in such a way as to attack others just because they have a difference of opinion or their experience has been different....just so they can have a job.
This is a tough economy.
Lauren, thank you for your thoughtful response.
ReplyDeleteMy daughter enjoyed Kanakuk very much prior to this, and I like to think that it was counselors like you that made that happen.
I am a former "victim", not of Pete Newman, but of others. I spent years in and out of Christian counseling, and I have a message I want to post to other "victims" of Pete's. (or their parents reading this) Please, please, be very careful digesting the "advice" counselors give you. Counseling can deepen a "victimized" mindset, rather than heal it. Christ gave one advice to ALL victims, FORGIVE and move on!!! He himself, being victimized on the cross, said the amazining message, "Father, forgive them". He didn't move forward from his own unjust victimization with bitterness, psycho-analysis, or years of counseling ("how could they do this to me? I'm so innocent!") Nor did another Bible hero, Joseph, from his own victimizing. It is dangerous to see yourself as an innocent victim, and others as more sinful than yourself! Yes, you were more wronged, (i say this as a sexual abuse victim myself)and you were undeserving of this sin being perpetrated on you. But, the point of the verse Jesus quotes about forgiveness...where the king forgave a servant who owed a great some of money, but then the servant went and threw someone in jail for a small amount of money...the point is that we are the SERVANT!! We have been forgiven much more, MORE than you need to forgive Pete, and you cannot let the "I'm an innocent victim" concept linger in your minds. Everyone has sin that has been done against them. We have to forgive and move on! Move forward with this experience not dictating your life!!
ReplyDeleteTrust me, I spent years thinking the opposite of this, and it was not in anyway right or empowering for my future. If you want to read a good book on forgiveness, I recommend Peacemakers, by Ken Sande. Find someone who can take you through that material. Hugs to you all...praying you find healing in forgiveness and love. P.S. I'm not saying Pete doesn't deserve to spend a good amount of time in jail, either. We still can be thankful for a government that will punish him, but we just remember our own position before GOD. Forgiveness frees our hearts.
Amanda,
ReplyDeleteMy question to you is when all of this happened and with such a sensitive issue did you not originally contact someone in charge to discuss this with?
These are serious accusations and it would be inappropriate to discuss this with someone other than the top leadership at kamp and most importantly those who were Pete's bosses. All of the top leadership is accessible and would have made time for your concerns.
If you did talk to one of these people 4 years ago why don't you say so? This would make your accusation that kamp knew more plausible.
But if you spoke with someone only at K-Kountry and possibly loyal to Pete, your concerns possibly never were communicated to anyone of substance or beyond Pete himself.
And honestly if you felt this strongly at that time why would you accept speaking to anyone other than the top leadership?
And why let it go because you felt attacked? Why did you not pursue it because it was the right thing at that time?
And why now are you motivated to make accusations against kamp?
Did you speak out publicly that you believed this was going on and the kamp leadership was attacking you and ignoring you four years ago?
If the kamp leadership knew than they were certainly wrong not to act on that information.
What motivation do they have to attack a customer (you and your family) of their services?
What motivation do they have to endanger their business and reputation to protect a criminal employee?
These are fair questions.
To Jeff, Part 1:
ReplyDelete1. I contacted the camp, and was told that someone would get back to me to discuss my concerns. As to “in charge” what was I supposed to do, ask for Newman? I trusted that the camp would take my concerns seriously, and contact me. As I said before, the contact came the following day. I can’t control the communication at Kanakuk.
2.Hindsight is always 20/20. Yes, I should have demanded to speak with Joe White 4 years ago. I didn’t. This probably led to more boys being harmed.
3. I’ve never claimed to speak with “leadership.” I can only give the facts of my conversations. I’m not willing to fudge the details to make myself look “more” credible to you.
4. I can’t speak to that, I am not aware of the organizational chart at Kanakuk. I can’t make someone act just because I want them to.
5. I was under the notion at the time, and up until September 15th of last year that if someone were to make a report, the camp would have to either report it or investigate it. That obviously didn’t happen.
Jeff, Part 2:
ReplyDelete6. At the time, my family was dealing with some transitions: moving, professional, and caring for an elderly relative. My plate was very full at the time. Looking back, I should have pursued it further. However, at that time, it seemed to me to be more of a “personal boundary” issue, i.e. touching. I never in my wildest thoughts could have dreamed that Newman was a hardcore pedophile, and that there could have been 100’s of victims across a decade.
7. This isn’t a “now” issue for me, and hasn’t been. I’ve answered honestly about my opinions of Kanakuk when asked by others for the last 4 years. I have spoken freely since September of last year in light of what has happened. These aren’t “new” accusations. The only motivation I had when I made the original comment on this blog was to address what I know to be gross inaccuracies forwarded by anonymous comments on this blog. I left a comment about Newman’s punishment and why I felt it was fair. You would have to speak to this blog’s owner as to why he made my comment a separate thread.
8. We loved the camp prior to this, and even paid to send another child with my daughter to camp that last year, and sponsored an entire cabin of boys for KAA. So, when we were no longer sending my daughter to camp, of course, people asked, and yes, I answered them honestly about our experience. I didn’t go into being “attacked,” because I felt it was ineptitude on the part of the camp at best. And, to say I was ignored isn’t accurate. I was contacted by the camp. So, for you to characterize that Kanakuk “leadership” was involved is inaccurate. I also didn’t make a jump intellectually that Newman was a pedophile. Bombastic and “handsy” yes, having sexual relationships with boys, no.
9.I can’t control what they knew, I certainly made my concerns known.
10. I can’t speak to someone else’s motivations. I don’t know these people on a personal level. However, the specific language used in discussing my daughter in the return call was absolutely consistent with other reports/comments on this blog. I’m sure if my complaint was taken to Newman directly, he was highly motivated to make me go away, which I did. I would also think that having a sexual scandal involving children would be bad PR for the camp, but that’s just speculation on my part.
11.I can’t speak to someone else’s motivation. I can only tell you what I know or believe. Read back over my words carefully. I voiced a complaint/concern, and it was shut down, quickly. I have never said that Kanakuk knowingly allowed Pete Newman to victimize children. What I do believe is that on the basis of my complaint alone Kanakuk should have known there was an issue with Newman. I also KNOW (after the fact) that there were other complaints/issues with Newman that seemed innocuous at the time, going back 10 years, and my complaint should have been further evidence of a problem. I know the camp had a set of rules and guidelines for behavior, and as far as Newman was concerned, those weren’t followed. I know also that Kanakuk waited a critical 6 months from the time this was truly “known” in the spring of last year before releasing a statement to families. Kanakuk’s motivation is pretty clear: parents would have pulled their children out of the camp. Therefore, I know I am not willing to risk sending my child to a program with lax over-site, varying wishy-washy protocols, or one that employs smear tactics as a mode of conflict resolution.
Jeff, the Bible tells us that even those who have seen do not believe. I think I'm done talking to the "wall." I will continue to cooperate with the families of victims and law enforcement.
what families of victims are you talking about? Please be more clear, because you may mislead some to think that you have insight into who victims are and that they want to talk to you, which I'm sure is not what you meant, but it's not very clear in your last sentence.
ReplyDeleteAmanda and others- please be assured that if there is a poster in support of kanakuk, it does not mean that they are an employee of kanakuk. you are drawing conclusions, that only employees would support the camp and that is not true. You seem so willing to sling the mud, but very unwilling to see that others, even christians, like yourself, who stand by camp, who don't get a paycheck from them, and who aren't afraid of losing a job with them...just normal folks, who read their bible and pray just like everyone else, who have made it their choice to support camp.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I can't help but think... Pete Newman would probably find it interesting and maybe even enjoy how this has (for some) turned into how much camp is at fault for all he did...think about it.
Amanda,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your postings and your truth-seeking! I am shocked at the way some are so angrily questioning your motives when it is so obvious to me that you did the best you could with the information your daughter gave you. I guess that we all process information differently given our life experiences.
Young people and recent former counselors may not yet have the wisdom to understand the gray areas of life. It IS possible that while the leadership of Kanakuk is well-intentioned and many kids have been positively impacted by their experiences at kamp, their good intentions don't preclude the leadership from making mistakes!! Even egregious negligent mistakes such as ignoring the warning signs with Pete. And, no, by saying "ignoring warning signs" I'm not saying KNOWING Pete was sodomizing boys.
My children, now teenagers, attended camp from 2002-2009 at K-Kountry, K-1, K-West and K-2 (between the two of them). Trust me when I say that people in leadership positions at all of these camps make plenty of mistakes. These people are hardly infallible. And camp is hardly the safest place in the world.
Amanda, we were peripherally involved in a bullying scenario at K-1 three years ago. A boy in my son's cabin left a 25-day term early because of alleged bullying. We found out about this months after the fact when the parents of this child sent us an anonymous letter outlining numerous incidents of bullying in great specificity and detailing the response he received from Kris Cooper, the director of K-1. We received this letter because their child accused our son of pushing/tackling their son to the ground on one occasion. There were four or five boys identified as bullies and several incidents cited for each kid, except ours with just the one. A photocopy of a letter the father sent to Kris after months of inaction by Kris was included in the packet they sent us.
To make a long story short, the father of this boy was treated the same way you were, Amanda, with regards to his son/your daughter. They pointed fingers at the son who claimed the bullying. There was only a cursory investigation of the boy's claims. We would have never known anything about any of it had we not been contacted by the boy's father.
Some other things happened to kids of friends of mine over the years which raised questions about the safety and supervision of our kids while at camp and the responsiveness of the directors when problems arose. We chose to continue to allow our kids to attend camp because the positives far outweighed the negatives for us.
We will never send our kids back to camp now. We do not trust the leadership. Their negligence and obfuscations are appalling to us in light of what Pete has done and their covering up of the investigation last Spring.
From Wes Neal
ReplyDeleteI have been following these blogs with great interest since I am a huge fan of both Kanakuk Kamps and the parents and brothers of Pete Newman.
For 12 years I spoke at Kanakuk (1980-1991) and know the leadership of Kamp quite well.
Steve Newman, Pete's dad, served on the Athletes in Action field staff I directed before he went on to become chaplain of the Green Bay Packers. So, we go back a long way...before Pete was born. I have had only three brief conversations with Pete, so I don't really know him.
I greatly respect both Joe White and Steve Newman. Both are amazing men of God, whose walk is even far greater than their talk. And, they both have impacted lives around the world for the Lord.
So, it grieves me greatly to see two men I admire so much be broken hearted, and have their lives changed, over the actions of Pete.
And, rightfully they should be broken hearted. Pete's actions have done immeasurable damage...and have left hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of broken hearts in his tidal wave...a wave that is still churning.
Who is to blame? Obviously, Pete is. Who needs to pay for his crimes? Again, the answer is a no-brainer. Pete does.
Sure, God will forgive him if Pete, in sincerity of heart, completely turns to God and seeks forgiveness. Yet, even if Pete is a Christian, Christians are not exempt from civil justice. We, of all people, need to be an example of right living in our messed up world.
Did Kamp have knowledge? Well, Amanda and others say they did. I have no reason to question her truthfulness. To what extent the leadership of Kamp had knowledge, and to what culpablility they have, we'll have to wait to find out.
But, one thing I know, and everyone who knows Joe White, knows, there is absolutely no way that Joe would have allowed Pete to stay on staff if he had an inkling of what Pete was actually doing. Somehow, there was a disconnect.
Were there red flags? Probably so. But, if you are not looking for red flags, I'm not so sure how red they really were.
Amanda's voice of concern in 2006 should have been followed through by Kamp with great care. The fact it wasn't, does concern me. It puzzles me, because the treatment she and her family received flies in the face of everything I know about Kanakuk.
I'm not sure what happened, but I do know that was NOT a typical Kanakuk response. At least it wasn't of the Kanakuk I know. And, I have worked with the leadership of Kanakuk for a long time.
Do leaders of Kanakuk make mistakes? Sure, they do. And, if anyone in leadership gave Amanda that response, that was a mistake.
But, in my opinion, something far more important than Kanakuk is at stake here...the Kingdom of God is.
It's like Pete, with his actions, took a giant mirror that reflected the image of Jesus and threw it to the ground. Thousands of shattered pieces (the victims and their families and loved ones, the Newman family and the entire Kanakuk family are lying on the ground in disarray...people who mirrored the image of Jesus).
My prayer is that God will pick up the pieces of the mirror and fashion them into a new mirror with these same people once again reflecting the image of Jesus. Only God can do something like that.
I pray through this the families of ALL Pete's victims, the entire Newman family (including Pete), and the entire Kanakuk family that numbers in the tens of thousands, will look back in retrospect and see how God has done an amazing work.
From Wes Neal
ReplyDeleteA note to Amanda.
I reread my earlier post and saw I asked "Did the leadership of Kanakuk know?"
I didn't mean to suggest your story was not accurate. I believe everything you wrote is true.
My only concern is my wondering what "leadership" responded to you. It didn't sound like any leadership I know. And, again, I'm not questioning what you said. I believe you.
That's my puzzlement about the whole thing.Someone talked to you that, in my opinion, did not represent the upper leadership of Kanakuk.
That doesn't excuse Kanakuk because anyone who speaks on the phone for an organization represents that organization. In your particular case, I think whoever you taked to represented the Kamp very poorly.
For one, I appreciate your stance. I also want Kanakuk to keep going for all the good they will do in the future, and because of all the good they have done in the past.
Perhaps God will use your blog to help remedy whatever needs to be remedied at Kamp. So, thanks for your honesty and your concern to help prevent anything like this from happening again.
Hopefully, all this will also help Christian camps around America to enforce their policies for the safety of the kids.
Wes, those were very thoughtful comments.
ReplyDeleteSomething worth considering, though, is the fact that K leadership are the ones who put into place the system and procedures for how the organization handles concern/complaint reporting by parents, so the buck stops at the top.
In an organizational structure like they have at Kanakuk which serves thousands of campers and families each summer there are going to be lots of questions and problems which arise. They are going to mishandle some. They did so in Amanda's situation and in the bullying situation. They didn't thoroughly investigate and they chose to cast blame on the whistle-blower kids. (I authored the comment regarding the bullying incident.)
From Wes Neal
ReplyDeleteTo 8:14...
Yes, I agree with you about how Kamp should have handled the bullying situation, as well as Amanda's report.
Jesus said in John 15 that God will prune even the Christians bearing fruit, to make them even more fruitful. No need to prune a Christian if he is already maximizing for the Lord.
I'm hopeful that God will use the Kanakuk investigation as a pruning devise to make the Kamp even more fruitful in connecting kids to Jesus.
Apparently, because leadership, or someone representing leadership, responded in the ways reported, it's easy to see why this "pruning" is necessary.
However, I sure want the ministry of Kamp to continue...after 85 years of faithful service.
In my opinion, it would be a victory for Satan if Kzmp would not be able to continue.
I know the heart of Joe White. I have never met anyone, outside of a parent to their own kids, who loves other kids as much as Joe...and, who has done so much for kids and families, mostly behind the scenes.
Kamp pruning...yes, if it's needed, and it does appear to be needed. But, only to make the Kamp more effective. Over 85 years, they have a record every Christian camp in America would love to have.
I'm sorry, did I miss something?
ReplyDeleteKanakuk IS allowing an investigation of its part in the Pete Newman issue?
They are seeking outside assistance to train employees, set policies, and have over-sight?
I'm not sure how we went from the suggestion to a confirmation from Wes Neal...
From Wes Neal
ReplyDeleteTo Amanda...
Yes, you are correct. That was a misstatment on my part.
I said: "I'm hopeful that God will use THE Kanakuk investigation as a pruning devise to make the Kamp even more fruitful in connecting kids to Jesus."
I should have said: "I'm hopeful that God will use A Kanakuk investigation..."
Sorry for the confusion I caused by that remark.
To Wes Neal:
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like you're an even-headed sort of guy and are able to keep your emotions at bay, so could you answer a couple of questions that many Kanakuk families are concerned about.
1. What type of sentence would be appropriate for this criminal?
2. Do you think that Joe White ought to be at these hearings/sentencing, rather than sending Kris Cooper to be his representative?
3. If your child were one of the victims and it became proven that Kanakuk had records of reprimanding Pete back in 2001 and 2003 for being naked with kids on 4 wheelers, playing basketball, skinnydipping, etc. and there were documents to show where Pete had been sent off for counseling for such and made to sign agreements not to ever do so again, then you found out that the camp, who is a mandated reporter never did so............What would you do? If you had evidence of their culpability, what would you do? How would you look your child in the face and tell them that you were just going to have to "look the other way" on this one b/c Kanakuk has done so much good? Wouldn't that be the same thing that kamp leadership did when parents were complaining, red flags were being pointed out, and they knew at least SOMETHING WAS AMISS, they just looked the other way b/c Pete had "done so much good" (like bring in 100s, maybe 1000s of kids $$$$$$$$$ to their camp!)????????
Answer this for me, would you?
Thanks.
Thank you Wes Neal for your thoughtful comments. In all of these 63 posts, yours has been the most meaningful to this reader.
ReplyDeleteTo the poster at 6:55---I can't help but wonder why it matters to you what type of sentence, Wes Neal thinks Pete should get. He has been forthright on how he feels about all of this and yet you want his personal thougths now. It doens'nt matter what ANY OF US think is a good sentence, because we don't get a vote. It's up to the judge and you obviously know that, because you know that Kris Cooper has been coming to the hearings.
With all of your questions, I am curious on this question for you...What exactly do you want Joe and Kanakuk to do? What will make you feel better?
To Amanda @ 3:24
ReplyDeleteYes Kanakuk is getting outside assistance to train leadership, and staff in regards to child predators. I can't give you all of the facts about it,because I don't have them, but if you would be willing to call the camp and speak to Doug Goodwin I know he would talk to you and inform you of what they are doing. Parents received emails telling us this information.
Rather than rant on here, maybe if you talked to the source you would have better information and not mislead people in thinking that camp is not seeking outside help with the issues.
To 7:46 AM:
ReplyDeleteI am not the commenter to whom you posed the question, but I am another kamp parent whose kids were campers for 7 years, knew Pete, one came to Christ praying with Pete and was later baptized by him, etc., and I will answer your question with regards to what exactly I would like Joe White to do at this point in order to regain my trust.
I want him to personally apologize in a public forum to each and every family for not disclosing the reason for Pete's termination last Spring. I personally believe that the content of the explanatory letter at the time was deceitful, and I don't buy the kamp's excuse of being asked by police investigators not to disclose the reason. Unless there was a court order preventing kamp from disclosing the existence of an investigation, then in my opinion Joe White had a higher calling to be honest with kamp families than he did to keep quiet to benefit the police investigation. (I also don't understand the logic of that. Other victims came forward after the charges were filed last September.)
Additionally, I want Joe White to publicly disclose the specific allegations regarding Pete's wrongdoing in the past which include the rumored skinnydipping, naked basketball with kids at kamp, etc. Then he should apologizes for not firing Pete at that time.
Then I want to Joe to explain anything else inappropriate/illegal that has happened to kids on kamp property during summer camp or father-son camp at the hands of Pete Newman.
I believe every parent has a right to know what Pete has been accused of because our kids were potentially exposed to it.
And before someone jumps on me to say that it is none of my business or it is too embarrassing for victims to have this disclosed, let me say that I wouldn't want to know any detail that would divulge the identity of a young man who has been harmed by Pete.
I want to know what my kids were exposed to. Every parent needs to know how this molester operated so that they can protect their kids in the future not to mention ascertain if something happened with him previously. If we knew the warning signs better (as did Amanda and her daughter), perhaps there would have been fewer victims.
I don't care if these admissions create legal liability for Joe White and Kanakuk. Let the chips fall where they may. Personally, if my kid was a victim, I would be much more likely to forgive and forget kamp leadership's negligence and not seek damages in a civil suit if I saw them being completely forthright and humble in their apologies.
10:08
ReplyDeleteThank you...all questions we want answered.
I second that 10:08...Eloquently stated.....I think your questions/requests should be sent to Joe White/Doug Goodwin in writing....I doubt they are reading this blog and need to know where many parents stand. I have a similar letter drafted and ready to send. I think more parents should voice their opinions and stance...perhaps pressuring Kanakuk management to do the right thing....own up to their own sin in this awful situation. I am not sending my kids back to camp until all information has been revealed and my questions answered.
ReplyDeleteI think that was an excellent analysis of the questions left to be addressed by Kanakuk.
ReplyDeleteI would only include that any plea deal with Newman include a full allocution of the number, ages, names, and crimes against every child he abused. If in the future, it is found he was deceptive in that admission, his deal is over, and he serves the maximum penalty without parole.
When I spoke with the DA, I was told that they put no restrictions on Kanakuk as to when or what they could inform the public of Newman's actions. So, anyone still believing that Kanakuk was "assisting" the DA is WRONG.
Amanda, there is no "plea deal." He entered a guilty plea and is set to be sentenced. I don't know why you are talking about a plea deal.
ReplyDeleteAnd regarding civil suits/liability:
"If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church! I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? But instead, one brother goes to law against another—and this in front of unbelievers!
The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers."
-I Corinthians 6:1-8
The case in Taney County is wrapping up with only the sentencing hearing remaining at the end of April. Those of us involved with those charges are ready to have him sentenced and move on. We will never know about all of his victims because the majority never came forward to the authorities. I understand why...it has been hell for those of us in the spotlight and trying to keep some privacy in this ordeal. Kamp did turn information in to the authorities because that is how WE became involved. Many parents and victims either don't want to cooperate or are simple unable because of the pain. Others will keep it to themselves or disclose it only to their parents. There is no right way for all of this to be handled...it is so complicated on so many levels. As far as kamp being investigated, a civil suit is the only way that will happen and we will not participate in that for many reasons...we will not continue to drag our son through this process any longer than we have to. Get your questions answered as you need to...but we are weary and ready to move on...not forget...but move forward.
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ReplyDeleteThere is NOTHING more pathetic than a person twisting the WORD to suit their own purposes.
If that Bible passage was Kanakuk's defense, then release that. Don't tell us some made up story...the DA wanted us to wait. That's false.
When the DA became aware of this, they wanted to know every possible victim, as they represent the victim. Kanakuk?
Not so much.
The camp delayed a statement, and acknowledgement until AFTER the 2009 season.
You believe the lie. You defend the lie. Shame on you, for without those with YOUR HEART, this can (could, and will) happen again.
How dare you judge someone for seeking civil justice when their child was harmed? The victims and their parents have rights.
And, the simple act of pleading to a charge will speak to the court. That mean Newman will be eligible for a lesser sentence per the judges order. That's how it works.
Wake up.
Quote Scripture all you want, but don't use it to defend UNTRUTH.
I am a parent of a victim and it is not MY job to defend kamp or defame kamp. As I was/am deeply involved in this case, I know, FOR A FACT, that there was a list of victims/possible victims submitted to the Prosecutor's office by kamp and parents and even kids themselves worried about their friends. There are also many victims as I said earlier that wanted no part of the criminal process and I understand! As hard as the process was/is for us we willingly participated to help the prosecution build a strong case to keep Pete away from children for a very, very long time. But victims have to be willing to give up a lot to be involved in this process and it is long and difficult. We are praying for a long sentence...my son and many other boys are brave and unselfish for participating in this process. Let's not forget them in all of this.
ReplyDeleteAmanda, you're just flat-out wrong about the plea/sentencing stuff. A judge may choose to sentence a criminal who enters a guilty plea with the exact same level of discretion that the judge has following a jury conviction. The plea may affect the judge's attitude toward the defendant, but it does not open the door for lesser sentencing.
ReplyDeleteAnd I did not opine on the scripture that I quoted. I just quoted it. I could spout off at the mouth like you chose to do (i.e., "how dare you judge me and say I believe the lie"), but I won't. I think you should really examine your own heart here. I am the same poster who suggested that you were self-righteous earlier. I still think that, and this last post of yours is evidence of that.
I put the scripture out there for you. I did not say I was judging anybody. I do think that this is the kind of issue that implicates the principle from I Corinthians 6, but I offered no commentary on the scripture when I posted it.
Not only that, but you accused me of twisting scripture to fit my purposes. You don't have any idea what my purposes are. You don't even know who I am. Nor did you explain to me how I was "twisting" scripture (maybe because I was just quoting it...?).
I am not defending anything. In fact, you suggesting that I am defending Kanakuk just shows that you are missing the whole point. The point is that Kanakuk might have been in the wrong. But we are all in the wrong in life. (In fact, you said that you yourself were at fault for part of this very situation because you didn't follow up appropriately early on.) Nonetheless, Paul's point, as it often is, is about humility and forgiveness and grace in light of what Jesus has done for us. He says, "Why not rather be cheated?" Your attitude in these posts has been nothing but vengeful. I don't know you in real life, but I'm calling it as I see it on this blog.
10:08
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for AGAIN asking those exact same questions that so many of us who have kids that have been affected by this situation have. If enough people keep pressing for the answers maybe Kamp leadership will open up and be honest with us once and for all. And for all of you that say we should address those concerns and questions directly to Kamp leadership, I have already done that, in writing. The response I got was vague, did not answer my questions directly and sounded like it was written by a defense attorney more than Joe. The response, or lack there of, from camp has been disappointing to say the least. Amanda, thank you also for being honest and taking the heat on here for telling the truth about what has actually been the experience of many of us who have contacted Kamp with questions and concerns.
To all the victims parents who have posted on here~~~Thank You Thank You Thank you! You are brave and courageous. Those who aren't in your shoes can only imagaine the emotional roller coaster you been put through. Your children, whether they are part of the charges or if they chose only to tell you, their parents...they are BRAVE young men.
ReplyDeletePlease know, that although it may not seem like it at times, your stories are at the heart of all of this. However you move forward,either with Kanakuk or elsewhere, GOD BE WITH YOU ALL.
Paul's letters to Corinth, and the passage about grace and humility had NOTHING to do with the sexual assault of children. So, whether you intended it to speak for the victims or the camp, it seems "twisted" to me to try to make it fit. IJS.
ReplyDeleteAnd, I'm not "wrong" about the court process. I know of what I speak. Defendants often plead guilty when they know a jury will "throw the book" at them, hoping their admission will garner some consideration from a judge.
A judge may look at Newman's situation as horrible, but a "first" offense. No criminal history. Strong support system. Wife and young child. And, he plead guilty. Those are the factors the judge will weigh in passing sentence.
Four of those 5 elements I listed could, and I say could, because each judge is different...move the punishment to the lighter end of the 5 to 171 year scale.
Let's say that a judge splits the difference, and gives him 88 years. Many convicted felons accrue time at a rate of 3 (3 for every 1 served). This varies from jurisdiction to region. But, do the math. If he serves with credits, accellerated 3X, Neman serves 29 years.
What I bristled at, and will always bristle at in this situation is the continual use of half-truths, implied meanings, and suggestion.
Kanakuk waited 6 months to tell its "family." Parents weren't able to make an informed decision about sending their children for the 2009 season.
And, the list of victims another comment referenced was given after Kanankuk attempted to work out a "deal" with Newman to confess. (Much like the previous "deals" the camp made with Newman to correct behavior.) That didn't work out exactly as planned. Instead, it's been another 9 months.
Once this was known by the camp, and reported, it should have been released to the public.
And, again for the anonymous accusations: I am out to "hurt" Kanakuk, I am "vengeful, I "hate" Kanakuk. THESE ARE NOT TRUE. I am interested in the truth. Not half truths, not carefully worded statements approved by legal counsel, not suggestions, rumors, implied action, but TRUTH.
The truth, and only the truth will free us from the details, the what-ifs, the questions, innuendo, and accusation of these discussions. I'm quite certain I read that somewhere: THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
If I truly wanted "revenge" I have a much larger venue. My writing is invited into the homes of over 700,000 people each month. I could have written about this at any point in that time. Moreover, I could have pitched and no doubt published a story in a national magazine. That is NOT my motivation.
I want the truth to stand. I want everyone who has been impacted by Kanakuk in any way to dwell in the truth. Even if it's not pretty. Even if it makes the camp "look bad." Even if for a few years, Kanakuk has to re-build its reputation. Buried in that truth is the good, and it will triumph. But, without the truth, these ommissions and half-truths, rumors, and accusations will live on forever. We aren't there yet, and won't be until Kanakuk chooses truth over self-interest.
Amen to that, Amanda. Here's to hoping Kanakuk tells the truth!
ReplyDeleteAmanda, your clarification of what you apparently meant by talking about a "plea deal" is pretty accurate. So you are not wrong, after all, but your previous statements were misleading. Thanks for clearing that up.
ReplyDeleteAs to my continued theme... You decide--self-important or not? "If I truly wanted "revenge" I have a much larger venue. My writing is invited into the homes of over 700,000 people each month. I could have written about this at any point in that time. Moreover, I could have pitched and no doubt published a story in a national magazine."
The bottom line is that nobody believes Kanakuk actually knew what was going on. Pete has been caught and stands convicted of these crimes, awaiting a sentence of years in prison. Kanakuk has surely learned a lesson in this process. My question is, if you don't believe that Kanakuk actually knew what was happening, then why the rage? Clearly something went wrong there, and they know it. But nobody there wanted this to happen. They are shocked, saddened, and betrayed just like all of you. So what good is the witch hunt?
ReplyDeleteAmanda, just take yourself right out of this. It's time. This investigation goes on. And there are so many more people involved in this that are giving the authorities what they need and that are so much more knowledgeable than you. You are a grain of sand in this investigation. For example, how about the list of names that Kanakuk provided police to investigate potential victims. They provided them a LIST OF NAMES!! Your ongoing attempt to make this your battle is so self righteous. You want this to be all about you. It's about the victims. And no matter how you spin it, you are on the attack and it is very obvious. Let those of us close to the situation deal with it. Your child was not abused so just back off! You have no idea what Kanakuk has and has not done for the victims. I know Petes direct boss had to talk to his own boys about whether or not they had been abused. Do you actually think Kanakuk directors would have put their own children and grandchildren in harms way had they been worried about Pete?? They had to question their own children. And those are tough questions. I had a director tell me of course Joe White wishes he had seen the signs more clearly. He so wishes it had been clear. It wasn't. But like most of us saw, Pete Newman was so full of life and so entertaining. So great with the kids. None of us who spent a great deal of time with him ever suspected anything. I just always thought he was a big kid and sort of flakey at most. That's as far as my thoughts went. Sometimes your mind just won't go to that dark place. His own wife didn't even suspect anything and she lived in the same house with him where most of the abuse took place. Should we blame her too?? Pete is responsible for abusing kids and he was able to keep them quiet. Many of the victims never even told their parents until Kanakuk had them question their children. I should know. They had me question mine.
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ReplyDeleteYou have a pretty narrow and simplistic understanding of how far-reaching this situation is if you think that:
1. the victims of the various molestation charges are the only people impacted by Pete's criminal actions and everyone else should back off and be quiet, and
2. the facts that Kanakuk provided a list of names to the investigators, is supporting the victims, and their employees are disappointed in Pete means that they are above reproach and those thinking otherwise are self-righteous and on the attack.
Go back to the original comment I made for another thread...that became this post. It's about punishment, criminal justice for the victims.
ReplyDeleteAgain, there continue to be half-truths about this matter. I don't see anyone else (named) willing to stand up for the TRUTH.
The attacks and criticisms of me...made this thread about me. Sorry, but that's the facts.
Any response is deemed as "self-righteous." That's not where my heart is, and not what I said. This is about what the appropriate legal response to Newman's actions are.
The so-called "list" that Kamp gave to prosecutors was in fact only a handful of names...no where close to the names that prosecution found out through THEIR investigation. Furthermore, it's important to note that "list" HAD to be handed over b/c the parents had already been called, were taking their kids to counselors, and counselors were reporting as mandated. Once counselors were reporting, it would have looked bad on kamp if they hadn't called as well. We know. We were on that original list. We know the timeline. We kept careful notes of every conversation, etc. The whole summer went by without so much as a word from kamp b/c they were scared to death to utter a word that might implicate them.
ReplyDeleteAnd let's make something else abundantly clear here. If you talk to the prosecution's office, they will tell you that kamp answered everything they were asked, yes. BUT THAT'S A FAR CRY from how proactively we, as parents of victims, were seeking out the truth and helping the prosecution. We were proactively bringing every bit of info forth that we could. Being proactive, and sitting back answering questions that you've been told how to word from your attorneys, ARE 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WAYS OF "ASSISTING THE PROSECUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
This is so big, and yet Joe White is no where to be found in this.
********When they should be standing up for and speaking up for these victims, they are keeping quiet so that they protect their intere$t$ in the civil suits.*************
The answers to some of the nagging questions out there are going to be answered through the civil suits. The civil suits will not be about money, but about forcing camp to be honest about what they knew.
ReplyDeleteThe cover-up is always worse than the original sin/crime/whatever. Look at history. This will be another chapter.
So to those dying for answers, you'll get them in time.
The vengeance on this blog is precisely why Kanakuk is laying low (if they, in fact, are). Kanakuk should consult lawyers. You guys are at their throats.
ReplyDeleteEvery parent should be after Kanakuk. How could you send your child with these questions unanswered? Parents should be after "their throats" if they have endangered children.
ReplyDeleteTo the parent @ 10:10- I couldn't agree with you more! To the parent @ 11:06, I have heard you comment so many times that you want Joe White at the hearings. I am at the hearings, I don't need Joe White there. I don't get your desire to have him there. What is it you need from him?
ReplyDeleteAnd to those who say, how can you send your kids back to that place, I am assuming you have never been to Kanakuk. There are like 6 different sites, with 6 different kamps. Thousands of kids go to 6 different kamps all summer. It's not like Pete Newman controlled the entire place. Kanakuk has never been about 1 person and never will be.
And the list....seriously people, no one on here has seen the list. Sure not all the names were on it and many more could have been, but kamp could only "guess" who possible victims could have been based on info. from leaders who knew who Pete was close to...This has turned into a witch hunt, and it's very disturbing.
I, too, am at the hearings, and I agree that I personally don't need Joe White there. But I think he should BE there because he is ultimately responsible for Kanakuk. He is the head guy and he should be showing some leadership at this crucial time...not just behind the scenes. Just my opinion, but I think it would speak volumes to our community if he attended and showed unity and support for the boys and their families AND the people that work for him.
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ReplyDeleteYou are really missing the point here.
Of course, no one believes that Kanakuk knew that Pete Newman was actually molesting children and just let it go on!
What they did do is side with Pete when parents complained of his inappropriate behavior....such as the naked games he played with kids way back when he was first employed with Kanakuk. They allowed him to continue working there when that behavior should have resulted in an immediate dismissal...reflective of a zero tolerance policy which should be in place regarding this sort inappropriate interaction with children.
Subsequent complaints and questions about Pete Newman and his behavior were again ignored or downplayed and he was allowed to continue working at Kanakuk.
According to former employees of Kanakuk, there are, and always have been, very clear policies and procedures regarding interaction with children...all of which, if violated, should have constituted the dismissal of Pete Newman. Pete violated many of these policies and procedures...but, was never fired.
Why?
People just want to know why Kanakuk was willing to keep an employee that broke the rules many times? Why would they put the safety of children at such risk? Why would they even chance putting their own reputation at such risk? What is the point of having rules, regulations, policies and procedures in place if you do not expect your employees to adhere to them?
Was Pete Newman the only employee they allowed to break the rules? Were there others?
So many questions that need to be answered.
1:36
ReplyDeleteDo you really think Pete Newman would have had an opportunity to "groom" these children of Kanakuk if he had been held to the rules, policies and procedures of Kanakuk Kamp? No he would not. In fact, he wouldn't have been there to do so...because he would have been fired.
You are absolutely right...Pete Newman is just one person...and what a shame one person was able to harm so many because of inadequate supervision by administration at Kanakuk. He had free reign and no accountability.
A pedophiles playground.
I have a question for the readers:
ReplyDeleteHas this experience changed the way you parent? The boundaries you set for your kids? How?
My husband and I are appalled that we trusted Pete to the extent that we did. Thank heavens our kids weren't molested by him. There were several years of near misses where Pete would call our son when he was in town, but we weren't home. At the time we were very disappointed that he missed the opportunity to spend time with Pete. There were discussions of our other child accompanying Pete and Katie on one of the China trips. It makes our skin crawl that we missed the red flags with him and almost put our kids in harm's way.
To the poster at 1:36: I really wish I could agree with you about your "one person" line of reasoning. Unfortunately, Kanakuk deliberately chose to make Pete Newman much more than "one person". They placed him in their promotional brochures in very prominent positions, sent him as the lead representative of the Kamp for many years on the Kanakuk winter tours, chose Pete to be the host/leader of the Father/Son retreats and then chose to promote him from Boy's Director to Kamp DIrector at the one kamp solely dedicated to serve the youngest and most vulnerable of our children ages 7-11 (K-Kountry). Please note that for many long term Kanakuk families the experience all started with Pete at K Kountry. It should also be noted that Will Cunningham and Joe White promoted Pete from Boy's Director to Kamp DIrector after many years of observing Pete in a leadership position!
ReplyDeleteIn reality Kanakuk does offer much more than Pete and/or K Kountry. My family has benefited over the years from Kanakuk. As a parent, I have personally benefited from many of the pearls of wisdom that Joe White has shared throughout the years. However, my wife and I will NOT be sending our children back to kamp nor will we recommend the kamp to others at this time.
Joe White and the management team have done a very poor job of handling this entire tragedy. The leadership and management errors since at least April of 2009 have been enormous. It appears that Joe has been operating solely under the advice of council rather than trying to lead the injured flock to a safer place.
It may be 100% coincidental but in the months leading up to Pete's firing, K Colorado was spun off to Joe's daughter and son-in-law and Kanakuk became a non-profit. These actions could be a coincidence or they could be the direct result of advice of council based on what they knew was about to happen with Pete. I recognize this sounds like a strange Oliver Stone conspiracy theory movie but the truth is if Joe White had exhibited strong forthright leadership throughout this crises, questions like the ones above would never occur to people. I personally hope it was just a coincidence.
I have been a very strong supporter of Kanakuk and Joe White over the years. However, I must confess I'm extremely disappointed in the lack of leadership and good management exhibited throughout this tragedy. I would refer readers to the way Johnson & Johnson managed the Tylenol poisonings many years ago to learn how great leadership with placement of customer's safety first actually resulted in a net growth to the company's bottom line.
I shall close by saying that I have been praying for the victims and their families as well as the entire Kanakuk extended community for healing, peace and comfort from the only One that can truly provide it. God bless everyone
Signed
Christopher (former long term Kanakuk father)
To 8:17
ReplyDeleteIt has changed me and my husband. We will not send our son to camp again (any camp.) It seems too dangerous. As someone wrote above, it is a pedophile's playground. Kanakuk talked a good game about protecting the children, but didn't enforce their own rules. For all we know, there may be other instances where parents have expressed concerns about current Kanakuk employees which were mishandled. They may have ten pedophiles on staff. (This will cause anger, but Kanakuk supporters have no reason to think this isn't the case.) Kanakuk should cease to exist if they handled previous Newman complaints the way people have accused.
We still parent the same but we ask even MORE questions than before. We don't want our son to be paranoid or lack trust in people. We have always been very involved parents so I would be careful to those parents who are thinking "I would never let that happen to my son." Well it does happen, even to families that do everything right. The way the details have been discussed in the press makes all the parents of victims sound stupid. The situations were not exactly how they were described. Our son is going to a camp...he picked another one based on his interests. If he had wanted to go to Kanakuk we would have let him. I think engaging him in the process was very important for him. Sometimes you can do everything right and BAD THINGS STILL HAPPEN.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree, anonymous at 6:04. I feel like there is NO "safe" place for our kids, except our own homes.
ReplyDeleteWhen I have sent my daughter off to youth camp (through church), D Now, and mission trip, I asked A LOT of questions. It is incredibly uncomfortable to ask, and to explain "why" I'm asking. That always seems to come up. I have been treated with both dignity and disdain. But, I have told the programs I allow my daughter to attend that she knows the warning signs, and if anyone is inappropriate SHE WILL TELL ME, no doubt about it. (I also told her to "fake" an injury if she needed to speak with me, a technique a police officer told me to allow kids access to phones and communication in these situations.) I truly don't give a second thought about how I am treated by these ministry folks. I want what is best for all kids, mine included, and I believe God's perfect plan for my daughter's life includes being involved. I am just being honest with them about where we stand, and I believe that honesty, in this case is absolutely the best policy. (It's hard to explain to a kid how to "out think" a predator, and tell basically a lie to get a nurse to call me, but I told my girl that if someone might be hurting a child her "faking" an ankle sprain is a grey area, and she needs to call me.)
I know it seems weird, but if we had these discussions ahead of time, my hope is that the predators will not use our Christian camps to hunt.
To Christopher...several people forwarded documents about the various financial changes at Kanakuk during the 6 month "delay" in a public announcement. Notice I haven't made reference to this before. But, yes. It looks bad. I want to give the camp the benefit of the doubt, but given my experience, my thoughts on that are speculation. If Kanakuk sent me a letter saying the sky was blue or water was wet, I would double check.
I also received information that Joe White's personal pilot (and, please don't make this about a ministry using a private plane) having issues with a "family" molestation charge. Joe White gave a statement in court supporting his pilot saying in effect that he (White) would allow his grandchildren to be around this man. So, I think there is more to this story than has been disclosed by the camp. It's possible a culture exists at the camp for this to happen again. I just want the truth.
I can only speak of my personal knowledge, but I am certainly not willing to send my daughter to Kanakuk. She doesn't want to go, either. What happened to us is incredibly uncomfortable for her. I understand that.
It's ironic that comments call these questions a "witch hunt" as though there is no reason for concern. It isn't a witch hunt. We had a monster in our "family," at the heart of the Body of Christ. Like I've said before, the truth will set us free.
I was certain my son would tell me, too, if anything inappropriate EVER happened to him. We talked numerous times about this. My point is...it can still happen despite a parent's best intentions. Pete was so good, deceptive, manipulative and devious that these boys didn't know that they had even been abused. (I'm talking about the boys I know personally). I know many of you reading will find that hard to believe. But stop and think about the boys he chose...trusting, innocent, pure, etc. Pedophiles gradually peel away a child's boundaries...kind of like the old story about the frog in boiling water. I am saying this not to make parents paranoid, but after doing everything you can to make sure your children are safe...we live in a world that is NOT.Do all you can, then LIVE your life! I refuse to pull my child in close and not let them live!! Are you going to keep them home from school, college, a job? There are dangerous people everywhere. I am teaching my kids to trust the ONLY ONE who can be truly trusted.
ReplyDeleteAnon @7:46...I don't smother my child. She is free to have a full life surrounded by believers, I just make every effort ahead of time to let them know my husband, daughter are holding them accountable for the actions of their employees.
ReplyDeleteMs. Tackett and anyone else who wants to hear,
ReplyDeletePlease hear me. This is free so you can do what you want with it, but it is from my heart and has been prayed over. I am a kamp parent, closer to the situation than most without being a direct victim….that I know of at this point. I have not previously posted on this thread.
I have heard what you have had to say from the beginning, and I applaud you for making it known. It is beyond regrettable that your concerns do not seem to have been taken as seriously as they should have been.
The phrase “the truth will set you free” keeps appearing in your posts. You haven’t attached a reference to it, so I can’t be sure if you are quoting Jesus words from the gospels or not, but if you are quoting Christ you are out of context.
The general or specific truths about what Kanakuk has or hasn’t done will set no one free. If it’s proven that there was a cover-up, it will drive untold numbers into more bitterness, more anger, more pain. There is no freedom in that. It may satisfy your need for vindication, but even you will not be free from the guilt you seem to feel from not attacking this tragedy harder and sooner. The whole of Jesus’ teaching, the gospel of salvation, is the only thing that will set us free. If we hold tight to that truth and the lifestyle that comes from it, we will be free indeed.
I believe that everyone involved in this suffering is pouring their own cup of medicine, and at some point we’re all going to have to drink what we have poured out for ourselves. Kankauk, you, me, and certainly Pete. God is just, and He is going to take care of this all by Himself. I have questions and I would greatly welcome answers from Kanakuk, but that involves time and a myriad of legal considerations on their part. After all, we live in America.
And, like the commenter earlier speaking of living and trusting, I would like to add that the physical safety of my children is not my top priority. My desire for my children is that they be preserved from the Evil One while doing the work God has for them to do in their lives.
Peace to you and your family.
My son and a neighbor friend were at K Kountry in 08 and Pete was abnormally fond of them both. I remember feeling kind of proud that my kid was thought so highly of.... I have many questions and issues regarding the Iron man devotional my son did for 2years under Pete....but my biggest question right now is if I need to report to anyone (lawyers) of the time that Pete took my son's cabin/barn off kamp grounds to the hospital to see a kamper who had an appendix removed during the term. On the way back to Kamp, he took the boys to McDonalds to eat. He took the other barn of boys to the hospital to see the same boy and then Pete took them all to his house for some reason. My son's friend was telling him about the fireman's pole he saw at Pete's.
ReplyDeleteWhen we picked them up and they shared kamp stories, I felt uncomfortable that I never knew my son was parading around town in a van and eating McDonalds.. Pete said for them to hurry and eat bc they had to get back, and my son scarfed down the food so fast that he threw up in his coke cup in the van on the return to grounds. I was thinking the whole time that my child was at KAMP eating the food provided and participating in Kamp activities. (hindsight/another red flag)...
My question is, is this little bit of information of any help in shining light on the truth of Pete's motives ? It was very believable to me that this kind of thing could happen at K Kountry because Pete was able to take an entire van of kids away without any one stopping him, or calling me to ask permission to remove him from Kamp grounds. I will be glad to share this story with authorities if anyone thinks it is significant. I am really unsure, being that there were other drastic bounderies crossed that weigh heavier than this.
To Anonymous at 4:24.
ReplyDeleteYes it is disconcerting, though commonplace, for the staff to take your child off campus without your prior knowledge/consent. I was shocked the first time I heard of it happening at K-1. They rewarded kids, including my child, who had attended camp for many years by taking them to an amusement park. They also took these kids to a grocery store and gave them $1 to buy anything they wanted (junk food) to consume on the spot. One boy reportedly was allowed to chug down a 2 liter Dr. Pepper.
Judge Mark Orr:
ReplyDeleteA LOT of people are counting on you to hand down a sentence that will be "comparable" to the crimes. Now, 171 years will never even be close to the years of pain that Pete has sentenced his victims, their families, his daughter, wife, parents and 3 brothers to. If any pedophile needed to be kept off the streets, it's this one. Keep the citizens of our great country safe and keep this guy behind bars for the rest of his life. We are all counting on you.
The impact this has had on so many 100s of people directly, and 1000s indirectly, is so profound, that even 171 years would never touch the pain he's caused.
JUDGE ORR: We are counting on you!!!!
Not relevant to Newman's sentencing, but the food thing was an issue for us, as well.
ReplyDeleteThe counselors took my daughter to McDonald's on the way back from the airport. She told them, "I'm not allowed to eat fast food." They asked why, and my daughter explained it was bad for her, and that her mother didn't like chemical food additives and corporate farming.
So, when the kids sat down to eat during camp, the college age counselors would mock my daughter asking when she had a plate of food, "Is this okay? Does it meet your standards? Will your mom let you eat this?" C'mon, she was a KID.
The fast food thing is simple, help her find a "better" option on the menu. She has eaten fast food at birthday parties, and before games, so not that big of a deal, but she was simply repeating MY "rules." It sounded sort of like harrassment to me, or hazing.
I think all of these things are the kinds of feedback Kanakuk can use to have an idea of what goes on.
To the mom who asked about her son. Wow. I've heard other parents say their kids were taken to Pete's house during the camp term as well. Of course, that doesn't fit the camp's position that this stuff didn't happen at Kanakuk, to minimize involvement. I think Newman was "selling" himself, how "cool" he was to these kids via his position. Call it "grooming," (I call it HUNTING) but I don't think we sent our kids to Kanakuk for that.
And, to the anonymous poster close to the situation at 2:00? I disagree about the truth. I (relatively) civil discussion of what happened and what the future holds isn't something to be feared. Everyone on this blog is a Bible expert...note I didn't quote the verse, I was using it as a saying. So sorry this was "out of context" for you.
Truth is universal. We don't know the whole truth at this point, and as long as that is the case, these questions will continue to linger. Thank you for your thoughtful response, but we don't see eye to eye in this instance. I'm sorry that this is uncomfortable for you. Going forward, Kanakuk families need to know that this CANNOT happen again, and the specific mechanisms that are in place to prevent it.
Amanda,
ReplyDeleteyou say you don't smother your kid yet she's not allowed to eat fastfood? hmmmm.
No, she doesn't. I'm allowed that freedom as a parent, just as the parents who are willing to send there kids back to Kanakuk.
ReplyDeleteGo ahead, attack.
Lady Luck - I know a lot of families who do not allow their children to eat fast food as a general rule. You consider this smothering? I consider it good parenting. I wish I didn't eat fast food. Some of you won't like anyone who is not gung ho about Kanakuk and welcome any opportunity to slam them.
ReplyDeleteIt's telling you chose the fast food thing to comment on rather than the full content of the comment. Stay classy, Kanakuk supoporters.
ReplyDeleteWhen I left my "real" job to stay at home with my daughter, the only way to afford that decision was to cut out ALL "frivilous" spending. The same frugality that made us (my husband and I) be able to afford a luxury like Kanakuk (and our sponsorship of KAA), is the same one that you mock.
My family has owned a farm since the 1800's, and I have always eaten fresh food. When I started writing, I read a number of disturbing investigative stories from people I know and trust about fast food, and corporate farming. So, we don't eat that.
They don't pass a simple test: Do Unto Others. Maybe I should have just said that up front. Kanakuk doesn't pass the Do Unto Others challenge.
Let's see, I also don't shop at Wal-Mart. Care to weigh in on that?
Quit making this thread about "me." Adults bugging a kid who doesn't eat garbage isn't right. Kids taken off the camp site to Newman's house isn't right. Kids forced to choke down food/drinks until they vomit isn't right.
not an attack, just an observation. in your 18 posts you come across as an overly protective parent and then almost taunt people to "attack" you for standing up against kanakuk. then you say, "go ahead, another attack".
ReplyDeleteit is comical how you challenge people for posting "anonymous advice" on a blog. does it solidify an opinion by posting your name and social security #? address perhaps? whatever. it's a blog.
one day, your kid will eat a big mac and think, "this is what i've been missing my whole life?"
Wow...from sodomy to fast food...unbelievable!!!
ReplyDeleteAT, many of your aruments make sense and i and sorry your daughter experienced some of those things, as well as the way kanakuk handled your complaints.
ReplyDeletebut then you drop tidbits like a counselor forcing food down a childs throat until they vomit and all validity goes out the window. i have a hard time visualizing that. i'm just thinking logically, couldn't the counselor have let the child finish their fries in the car?
you're setting your child up to be mocked in life if she's quoting you as saying "my mommy doesn't believe in corporate farming". i'm just saying.
I can see why non-believers want nothing to do with what we "say" we stand for.
ReplyDeleteAnd, you "quoted" me when I hadn't made a "quotable" statement. My daughter doesn't eat fast food, and she knows why.
I won't send her back to Kanakuk, and I know why.
Thanks for your input.
Ladyluck...I just got a couple of emails and a call about your lovely opinion. In your world, I "set" my daughter up to be mocked because I teach her to lead a moral life?
ReplyDeleteAnd, in that world, where you choose to live, a rape victim "deserves" it because she wears a short skirt? And the boys Newman violated also got what they deserved, too.
Thank you for pointing out with crystal clear clarity something a number of us who disagree with the camp's handling of the Newman case have said, but could never quite put our fingers on. Kanakuk is not above the world, it isn't a haven for our children to feel immersed in Christ's love...it is a reflection of the world, and not a culture worthy of a family seeking a Godly place for their kids.
You did in 2 sarcastic posts what I was unable to do in over 18. My hat is off to you, Ladyluck.
Sorry, I paraphrased and incorrectly used quotations. Here, I copied and pasted this one...
ReplyDeleteAmanda Tackett said...
"I can see why non-believers want nothing to do with what we "say" we stand for."
What the? I don't get that one either. So I'm a non-believer?
The corporate farming comment must have struck a nerve for you to say that I believe raped victims deserve it and Pete's victims had it coming. Your logic is bizarre.
I pray both Kanakuk supporters and Kanakuk haters (I am neither) get through this and the camp continues to bless thousands of lives each summer. I pray for all involved (Pete, Kanakuk, children, parents, victims) that God will somehow give them a peace that passes all understanding.
You're at 20 now. I'm going to stop before I catch up to you and the blog becomes about me and big macs instead of you and farming in the 1800s.
Goodness Gracious! Randy Turner, please write another post so that we can all move on from this idiocy........Or just delete this whole thread, b/c it's completely sad and ridiculous Kindergarten banter at this point. My Lord. PUH-LEASE! SHut up people!
ReplyDeleteAmanda,
ReplyDeleteYou are now attacking. I am one of the victims parents who is sending her kids back to kamp this summer (a choice we came to as a family). You don't like kamp and you would NEVER send your child to Kanakuk or reccomend it...WE GET IT. But for those of us who do feel it is a Godly place and are comfortable with our choice, we would appreciate if you would stop writing like it is hell on earth.
After months of therapy, my son has started taking steps in forgiveness. Yes, forgiving Pete. That doesn't mean he will forget and it doesn't mean he doesn't feel great about Pete spending time in prison, but what it does mean is that it is a HUGE step in the process of him moving forward. Putting all of this in his rearview mirror as our counselor would say. I, am working on doing this with him. I suggest that some of you take the steps to move forward so you can heal also. Amanda--it seems to me that you need some "healing" even if it's just for the anger you carry towards kanakuk--you can't deny you have anger, it's obvious in every thing you write. It's time to move forward, take your anger and call Joe White, DO something, but it's time to stop writing all of this to anonymous people.
I know the Tacketts, and this is just crazy to attack them. I never knew a family that loved and supported kamp more. At least someone is willing to take the heat. The kamp won't do it.
ReplyDeleteOh WOW, I am so relieved that we have so many perfect people in this world! Especially you Amanda! You are so perfect in your parenting. I'm obviously a dunce when it comes to parenting. I discourage my children from drinking soft drinks by explaining they contain high fructose corn syrup in them and that can give you diabetes and cancer. But sometimes if we go to a fast food restaurant on a road trip (GOD FORBID, I know!!!) I allow them to have one. I know, I'm such an idiot. It's so dangerous!! I for one was thrilled when I found out my child was picked to leave campus with Pete (and other counselors which is always they way they left). They were chosen to go over to KAA to see the campers there and play football. Yes, they were allowed fast food and a Dr. Pepper. Their COUNSELORS not just Pete allowed it saying if they wanted one they could have one since there are none allowed at camp and it was a reward. I had no problem with the fact that they left because I knew they would because they had done this for about 15 years!! But boy was I stupid to fall for it and trust the institution that had been admired and been in business for 84 years. But was I really stupid? or was I human? I prefer to think I was human to love the fact that the role models I was placing my sons with were, what I thought at the time, were positive role models. I didn't care if they took them to get ice cream because I trusted them. The entire camp family trusted Pete. And the fact that they promoted him, etc. says they trusted him. And I'm stupid to celebrate the fact that Todd Rapp sends my son a post card saying to have fun at K-2 this year and they will miss him at K-West. I probably shouldn't allow that, should I? Because he too might turn out to be a molester!!! Boy, I wish I was as smart as you Amanda. I'm letting my sons go back. And we spent sooooooo much time with Pete. But I guess I'm just stupid. My son will be driving the wave runners at K-2 this summer! And singing worship songs. And hanging out with godly counselors. And sailing sail boats and playing football. And reading his Bible. Guess it's better than sitting around the house. Oh, but there might be pedophiles there too!! Do we wish Pete had been more transparent? YES!! Of course now things will be so different with me and my parenting. Of course. AND, it will also be different at Kanakuk too. They have already sent out details of the changes. And it is so sad that we can't trust anyone anymore. It was so much more fun when there was freedom to love without fear. But I for one, am still going to take a "leap of faith" and put it in God's hands, because my kids want to go! When I asked them if they still wanted to go, they "of course!! It's the highlight of my summer!" Hind sight is 20/20. It's easy to look back and see all the mistakes Kanakuk made. But its a heck of a lot easier to look back at my own mistakes. But sounds like most of you never make any. So you are lucky.
ReplyDeleteSarcasm, always a good way to go when you don't like the facts.
ReplyDeleteI'm very content with my parenting skills. Thanks.
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ReplyDeleteAmanda,
ReplyDeleteI originally asked you who you contacted at camp and you provided no real answer.
All of your comments make it sound like you called K-Kountry and talked to people loyal to Pete.
What makes you believe this information ever was presented to the camp leadership? The people who would take it seriously and were superiors to Pete.
With such delicate and damning accusations how can you in the name of common sense not have contacted Joe White or Doug Goodwin directly.
It makes no sense if you believed this was a serious problem that you would speak to someone that answers the phone and leave at that.
Based on all of your posts, it is obvious you have some issues with Kanakuk.
Now you stand on your mountaintop and proclaim camp knew, camp knew. So we should all condemn camp because you told camp and they did nothing according to you.
So four years later after we all know what tragic things happened, now your voice is loud.
Where was your voice then and why didn't you contact the right people.
Pete did these sick and terrible things not camp, and if you knew you should have told us then with the force you are telling us now.
And now let's also be critical of camp for doing special things for campers like awarding them with a trip to McDonalds or letting them have a soda for winning Honor cabin or something else. These are long standing camp traditions that bothered no one until now.
Now that you have exposed camp for all of the evil things they do.
Well done Amanda, well done!
I disagree completely with the previous commenter. I look forward to hearing what Amanda has to say because I find her to be a courageous truth-seeker who stands up for what she believes in.
ReplyDeleteThere have been many thoughtful comments posted on this thread and I have benefitted from most. I don't understand, however, those who seek to defend camp by demeaning Amanda.
Furthermore, why do some need to censor what those with dissenting points of view have to say? Anyone who is so uncomfortable reading criticisms of camp leadership, Joe White, or fast food(!) that they tell others to stop speaking should perhaps just quit reading this blog.
There should be nothing to be feared from a respectful debate.
Joe White and Doug Goodwin are responsible for how their office staff respond to concerns pertaining to inappropriate physical contact by staff members. Office staff should have relayed her concern directly to White or Goodwin.
ReplyDeleteAnd what Amanda's daughter noticed was a warning sign, not an incident of sodomy, for heaven's sake.
How Sad for all of us...what this whole viscious fight boils down to is everyone wants Kanakuk, Joe White, Will Cunningham, whoever to be honest and take responsibility for what information they did or did not have and what action they did or did not take to protect our children, who were entrusted to them. We want to hear it from them not anonymous blogs. Then we as parents who have supported them can make an informed decision if we want to continue to support them or let our kids return there, and we could do so with a sense of peace. But I think the fact that their original disclosure to us said Pete was dealing with a PERSONAL FAMILY CRISIS...is that what this was/is to them?!?...a personal crisis for Pete and his family...what about the countless families still dealing with so many nagging questions, and doubts and worries about our children who were alone with Pete. Come on Kanakuk leadership...where are you? Clear all this up once and for all unless the threat of civil suits is more important than the hurting families...
ReplyDeleteWell put 3:33, agreed. All my friends agree as well. And some of them are attorneys.
ReplyDeleteOh, Jeff...I have had years to go over in my mind every single memory I have about Kanakuk as a parent. Maybe I'm "overthinking" it a bit, but I have plenty of reasons to...and to continue to have concerns. I haven't detailed the full "blow by blow" of the return call from Kanakuk and all the things that were discussed. But, it was contentious, very, and memorable to more than just me, I can promise you that much.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea where the loyalty of the employees I spoke with were, but it is a fairly well-established belief that Newman was incredibly well liked, very charming, and had ALL of us fooled.
What my daughter saw was touching from Newman toward a handful of boys my daughter knew. She saw Newmand and those same boys carrying sports equipment into the woods. And, she saw something more indefinable: long lingering looks she described as "puppy dog eyes."
Jeff, do you also doubt what others have said that there were at least 2 other instances of Kanakuk requiring Newman to change behavior in 2001 and 2003? And maybe others as well? I believe they knew or should have known that there were serious issues with Newman because they had AT LEAST three warnings. I just can't in any way excuse that very basic, very core set of facts.
I've spoken about this for FOUR years. I've commented on other blogs, and NEVER had this kind of reaction. Put yourself in my positon...I left a comment on another Newman-themed thread, and had that pulled out to be made a whole other topic. What is new to you, isn't new to me, or the people who know me. I feel that I have the right to speak freely, but, perhaps more importantly I have the obligation to speak the truth.
I had a friend, a journalist and Christian read this thread. She reminded me of a joke/story I once heard my worship leader tell. It's very fitting to this situation, so I will re-tell it here: A woman is trapped in a flood. She climbs to the roof of her house, and huddles by the chimney and begins praying to God to save her. Soon, a man in a rowboat comes by. "Get in, hurry!" he says. "No! My God will save me!" she says. He pleads longer, but she refuses, so he goes on to rescue someone else. Later, as the water continues to rise and swirl around her, two men in a motorboat come by, imploring her to get in. Again, she says her God will save her, and waves them away. The water rises, and an Army helicopter comes by, flooding her with a searchlight. Rescuers extend a rope ladder, and climb down to bring her to safety. Again, she insists God will save her, and eventually they give up and leave. The water continues to rise, and she becomes weary. She loses her grip and falls into the water that's lapping the roofline, and drowns. She arrives in heaven, and meets God. "I prayed and prayed. Why didn't YOU save me?" she demands. He responds, "I sent a rowboat, a motorboat and a helicopter. What else did you want?"
This is very, very strange to me. This whole situation, this blog, having this discussion. It's just very weird. I've been smeared (again and again) on this blog. I am, when my daughter returns from boarding school for spring break, going to sit down with her and we will read this thread together. I want her to see what it looks like to stand up for truth. (That's right,this "smothering" "overprotective" mother sends her 14 year old to boarding school. Go figure.)
Y'all don't know me, know my family, or my heart. And, much of that must not translate on a blog. But, I know what I know. It's as simple as that.
Amanda,
ReplyDeleteI may not "know" you, but hearing you say you send your 14 year old to a boarding school....I know all I need to know. That is very telling. I hope her "very trained eye" that she had at the ripe old age of 10, has been on the lookout for all those crazy child sexual predators out there in boarding school land. I don't even have words....You just set yourself up --could that have been on purpose?
What on earth is wrong with you people?
ReplyDeleteMrs.Tackett tried to advocate for children who were being raped and this is how you treat her? You tear apart everything that comes out of her mouth?
And I bet most of your consider yourselves Christians. You should be ashamed.
No wonder no one calls the cops anymore when their neighbors are beating their wives, or feel like they can't contact the police on a 'whim' from their 10-year-old daughter because they don't have enough hard evidence. We live in a society where the righteous must always be on the defense! Pretty soon you will have neutralize those with the guts to stand up in the face of injustice and I can't even begin to image how the world will start to look.
Mrs.Tackett, I applaud your efforts, and encourage you to keep fighting for those too weak to fight for themselves, but please stop wasting your energy of faceless internet bullies. Your words and actions are too precious.
God Bless,
D.
I agree with D. Isn't the fact there was a serial rapist at Kanakuk for a decade enough to make you question management there? Not necessarily convict management, but question them?!! Why would you rather attack her. What is wrong with you? Why don't you want good information from Joe White et al? What are you afraid of? What if people really have documented evidence of past complaints? Is that okay with you? You'll still send your kids? Amanda Tackett is not the villian here!
ReplyDeleteWell D, you obviously don't know the history. She is not standing up for the victims! That's the criticism. She is attacking Kanakuk when she does not have all of the information. It's mostly speculation and assumption. If you don't have facts, you shouldn't spread gossip. And if you want answers from Will Cunningham, ask him!! I did, and he gave me very detailed answers to some very hard questions. In fact every Kanakuk director I have talked to have given me more than enough information about what has taken place and they have given me very good counseling about how I talk to my children. In fact, as I said before, Will Cunningham had to question his own children and ask them the tough questions about Pete because his Children were raised around Pete at K-Kounty. HE HAD NO IDEA ANY OF THIS WAS GOING ON!! DO YOU THINK HE WOULD PUT HIS OWN CHILDREN UNDER THE SAME ROOF AS A PEDOPHILE?? But everyone is so quick to judge and believe the worst. Believe me, I have every right to be angry, and I am not. I truly believe with all my heart, there was no way they knew there was a pedophile in our midst. Even if there was something strange that happened, Pete was so convincing in his persona he had created for himself. I thought he hung the moon and so did everyone else. It has been like a death for me and my family and so many others. Those of us that had a close relationship with him have sought counseling from Kanakuk, and they have provided it. And have called to check on us. And we were not, thankfully, even victimized. They have prayed with us and answered every question we have had. Why don't some of you get off the gossip and give them a call. They WILL answer your questions.
ReplyDelete8:20, we have and they didn't. We're victims and you've received more than we have. Period.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone disagree with any of these answers?
ReplyDeleteThe Kanakuk know Pete was molesting childdren? NO.
Did Kanakuk ignore or under-estimate previous incidents and warning signs that should have resulted in Pete's termination? YES.
Did Kanakuk notify parents in a timely matter about Pete's actions so parents could decide if they wanted to send their children in summer of 2009? NO.
People...wise up...those posting on this blog claiming to be a parent of a victim and choosing to send their child back to Kanakuk are attempting to deceive all of us.
ReplyDeleteWell..they don't deceive me! I in no way believe any true parent of a victim would EVER send their child back to Kanakuk! NO WAY!
These posters, and all others, who are so vehemently defending Kanakuk obviously have a great deal to lose if Kanakuk is investigated, found to be culpable, and then forced to shut down.
Are they someone high up in administration? A family member of Joe White or another person in administration? Or just some other employee scared of losing their job? Hmmmm.... I don't know. But, what I do know is there is more to it than what they write.
NONE of them fool me...every one of these posts is very transparent.
Amanda...I understand you wanting to defend yourself against the anonymous posters attacking you...especially, since you are one of the few who have posted with your full name...but, realize you are defending yourself against people who are not posting honestly!
Anyone can write anything...claim anything...when posting anonymous.
Including me! So let the attacks continue...they mean nothing.
Way to go 4:27! I think you are on to something!!!!
ReplyDeleteI am 4:27
ReplyDeleteI'm just saying!
I have racked and racked my brain trying to come up with a scenario in which any parent would send their child to that camp, or even defend the camp, after all that has happened and all of the unanswered questions...and I just couldn't. It just did not make sense!
So....the reason for my post. It is what I believe.
From Wes Neal:
ReplyDeleteJust a couple of thoughts on the recent posters.
First, I'm a friend of both Joe White and Steve Newman. In all my discussions with Steve, he never mentioned he was a good friend of Joe White. They probably knew each other when Steve was chaplain with the Packers, but good friendship...I doubt it.
So, to the poster who said Joe wouldn't fire the son of one of his good friends, I'm not sure if friendship had any bearing at all. However, it is true, Pete was highly regarded by Joe, as he was with so many others.
Second, as to why parents of a victim would send their children back to Kanakuk. One thought is that Joe is in weekly communication with the families of victims. I would think, in that communication, issues are discussed. Some parents feel comfortable in sending their kids back (because that's what the kids want), while other parents don't.
Then, another reason parents might be sending their kids back to Kanakuk is Pete is no longer there.
The question: Is Kanakuk now a safe place? That's up for the parents to decide. I'm sure there will be varied opinions on that.
What culpablility might Kanakuk have about the Pete Newman situation? Whether they have any, or not, most likely all that will eventaully come to light.
you're a genius 4:27.
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ReplyDeleteYou are no genius. More like Satan hard at work. This will be my last post--I will not be reading this blog anymore--it's too hurtful and harmful in my healing, But! I am a parent of a victim and I am Sending my child back to kamp. I am not lying about this. I do not, nor have I ever worked for kamp. I have no connections to anyone employed at kamp BUT I AM SENDING MY KIDS back.
Wes Neal-you are right on track. Many of the reasons you stated are part of why I can do it.
Joe White DOES contact us on a regular basis as well as about 4 other staffers (who we have gotten to know over the years).
4:27--you have determined yourself judge and jury, but you are way off. I owe you NO explanation, but if the day ever comes when my son, decides to tell his story, out loud as a testimony or as a means to help others...YOU WILL BE in the forefront of my thoughts. You will be the voice I hear as I support my son.
You 4:27, in my opinion are no better than Pete Newman.
@ 4:27
ReplyDeleteIf we are to believe what you say to be true. Should we then assume that you work for another summer camp, maybe in Missouri, maybe Texas, wherever. Shall we believe you to be the competition, trying to lure people away from kankauk? Sound a little crazy? So do you!
I rest my case!
ReplyDelete10:28 and 10:30
ReplyDeleteYou doth protest a little too much. I guess a nerve was struck and maybe that nerve was a little too close to the truth.
Peace to you and yours.
Pretty sure 10:28 and 10:30 are the same poster. Actually, more than pretty sure.
ReplyDeleteThere is a term related to people trying to stir stuff up on blogs. It's called "trolling". It's when a person gets a kick out of writing inflammatory comments that will go against what most people reading the blog would think. Then, they claim that attacks against their arguments just make their arguments true.
ReplyDeleteAliens are coming! They are going to turn all campers into marshmallows and eat them. If you attack me on this, it just proves my point!
Get a life. Seriously. Claiming inside knowledge on who is or isn't a victim is irresponsible, and flat out hateful. You get your kicks off anonymously inflicting pain. I just realized I'm giving you exactly what you want.
To the rational readers, there are a couple of trolls on the loose. Don't allow them to stop you from voicing your opinions, concerns, or your quest for healing. Simply allow them to wallow in the sadness they live in, knowing the only effect they have on the world is anonymously heaping insults at hurting people.
Wes Neal, why do you say they are contacting families on a weekly basis? Are you a dad of a victim? No, you're not, so you really dont know, do you. Well I am and that is not the case. JW calls @ once a month to chit chat over the weather and sports and none of this is ever mentioned and we just politely indulge him in his shallow talk , but nothing productive comes out of it at all. When he does talk to my son, it's the same. Those convos are just as lame, according to my son. Very superficial and it's obvious JW is just going through the motions, prob bc some attorney told him he should. VERY sad. VERY sad.
ReplyDeleteSo Wes Neal, I know you'd love to believe what you're saying is true, but it's juust not. Sorry.
4:27...Reading your post was like a light bulb going off and the clouds parting simultaneously...should have thought of this myself.
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ReplyDeleteTo poster at 10:22.
It's interesting you said Joe does call you about once a month, but just to chit chat. If you have questions to ask him, have you ever asked those questions?
If Joe called me just to chit chat, and I had questions I wanted answered or I wouldn't send my kids back to Kamp, I would definietly ask the questions...and I wouldn't let go until I got the answers. I don't think Joe would just end the conversation. At least, not the Joe White I know.
Also, knowing Joe, he would do his best to answer your concerns. And, if you believe he is just all about the money ( as some have suggested), then it would make even more sense for him to answer your questions...to keep your kids coming to Kamp and the money rolling in.
If you asked questions, Joe would try to answer them. In all my 26 years of dealing with Joe, I have never met a person who is more direct than he is.
If you have not asked him your questions when you have the opportunity each month, I would be interested in your reason why you haven't. Of course, it's your choice not to share with me or anyone on this blog your reasons. I'm okay with that.
I guess what I'm thinking is what greater opportunity could you have than to have the head guy on the phone? One thing for sure, if you asked the questions, Joe wouldn't be talking about sports and the weather.
Now, with these questions I'd like you to answer for me if you will, I'll say it again. I am a pro Kanakuk person who believes if Kanakuk has done something wrong in all this, they do need to be held accountable.
Jesus tells us in John 15:2 that God prunes even those who are fruitful. I believe Kanakuk, over its 85 years, has been very fruitful. However, this well may be God's pruning action on Kanakuk, even though Pete Newman is the villain.
Most villians are surrounded by people that enable them. Kanakuk was the enabler.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, participating in Upward sports doesn't really prove any sort of athletic ability. I could sign my cat Mittens up for Upward and he'd still get to play. So, that doesn't mean that their assessment of your daughter was incorrect.
ReplyDeleteAmanda....refrain from even responding to that last personal attack. 99% of all readers are on your side!
ReplyDeleteI think they should keep talking...it shows the kulture of kamp Kool-aid.
ReplyDeleteI also have no affiliation with Kanakuk whatsoever, and I feel she raises very valid questions in her initial statement. The repsonses to some of the personal attacks since have been somewhat comical and entertaining.
ReplyDeleteHowever, as an outsider, it is plain to see that the camp ignored serveral warning signs with Pete over the years. Then when it became known to them what he did, they witheld details from the camper's parents.
I think that's all she is trying to say.
2:06 - Good one!
ReplyDelete3:58...for the record...I don't believe you.
2:06 - Good one!
ReplyDelete3:58 - for the record, no one believes you
Andrew Forrester says:
ReplyDeleteTo Amanda,
I am definitely a supporter of Kanakuk. I'm going back to K-Kountry (the kamp Pete formerly worked at) to work for my fourth summer this year. I don't want to believe what you have said about kamp's behavior. I can confidently and gratefully say that you did not speak to either of the current directors of K-Kountry, as they were not in the leadership positions then that they now occupy.
All of this is to say that I feel horrible for the way people have treated you in their comments. You have been right in saying that people (both those in support of Kanakuk and against) have not acted in a manner glorifying to the Lord or edifying to you as a fellow believer (or even fellow human being). You have a right to righteous anger if your description of phone conversations, etc. are true. K-Kountry, of all Kanakuk Kamps, is the least sports-focused, and your child's athletic ability should NEVER be referred to in order to ascertain her spiritual fervor, but especially not at the place like K-Kountry.
I'm sorry for the apparent grief this has caused you and am thankful you have spoken out! At the same time, I love Kanakuk Kamps and know that the Lord is doing great things there still! He is bigger than the sin of one man and greater than the failings of those he puts in leadership roles. Scripture is filled with those who have been called to certain purposes and failed, but that does not negate the Lord's ability to use them (I'm speaking about current kamp leadership, not Pete). I applaud the parents willing to send their kids back to kamp, and particularly applaud you, Amanda. I hope Kanakuk will take note of this, and I am absolutely positive that they have already revamped their handling of similar reports and complaints.
Thanks!
Andrew
From Wes Neal:
ReplyDeleteTo Andrew...I totally agree with you in all of your assessments (Amanda and Kanakuk as well as the leadership at Kanakuk).
Over many decades in my working with Christians (business world, sports and churches) I've learned that Jesus is often the "missing person" in the lives of many who profess to know HIm.
That "missing person" syndrome can happen on blogs as well as in phone calls and leadership roles.
My prayer is that God be the winner in this entire messs, and that all of us who profess Jesus might truly be at one with Him in all we say and do.
Andrew, thanks for your comment.
I just don't understand in reading this blog, how so many of you can be so harsh with parents deciding to send their kids back to Kanakuk. How can you judge what is right for one family just because it might not be right for your family? I think it is so hurtful. Our family has decided to send 2 of our 4 boys back to Kanakuk. We were extremely close to Pete Newman. But the focus of Kanakuk should not be about one man. At least not a human man. Christ is our focus. And in our healing, we want what we love about Kanakuk to live on in our children's hearts. They WANT to go back to Kanakuk. Our focus is on Christ and our boys relationship with Christ. What one man does to deceive us should not destroy the good this camp has done in the lives of so many. I'm not reading this blog anymore. This blog is exactly what Satan wants. It spreads disease and hate. The love of Christ lives on at Kanakuk. Yes, they could have discovered Pete earlier if they seen the signs more clearly. We all could have. Stop the hate.
ReplyDeleteHate is not in my Christian vocabulary. I don't use the word to describe my own feelings or the feelings of others.
ReplyDeleteA difference of opinion is not the definition of hate.
7:46 You have stated more than once you will not read this blog anymore. But, you continue to read and continue to post.
ReplyDeleteYour attempt to appear as if you are different people posting falls short of success.
Wow. What a thread. SO many opinions, and most shared respectfully. I am happy for that.
ReplyDeleteAs a plaintiff's attorney who has a Kamper going back for a third summer, I am torn. I do what I do to stand up for those who others have turned a blind eye toward. My first thought is that if the Catholic Church is capable of allowing molestation in their cathedrals, why are we so certain Kanakuk wouldn't be capable of the same, and be just as culpable for their actions/inactions. Liability arises out of acts OR omissions. I am hopeful, but cautiously so, that Kanakuk's leaders are guilty of neither.
I am friends with some of Kanakuk's first family. I shutter to think of them being involved. I haven't talked to them about it yet, but I need to. We all need to talk. If any of you wish to discuss the civil law aspects of this with a plaintiff's attorney who hopes Kanakuk doesn't get dragged to court, let me know.
Kendall Cockrell
409-828-1238
kcockrell@pulf.com
Mr. Cockrell,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your post.
Personally, I do not think Kanakuk had actual, specific knowledge of the pedophilia taking place by one of their staffers. But, I do believe they did not have a zero tolerance policy in place regarding inappropriate behavior of their staffers. I know they had policies that should have protected campers, but chose not (for whatever reason) to have a zero tolerance mindset when it came to these policies.
Unfortunately, allowing Mr. Newman to continue as an employee after several instances of inappropriate behavior resulted in the incredibly sad situation everyone faces now.
What culpability does Kanakuk have, or may have, regarding the above stated scenario?
I am so sorry for the hurt that Pete has caused the victims, their families, his family, his friends, Kanakuk & each of you...
ReplyDeleteA post earlier made reference to the truth that sets you free being Jesus. In time, the truth of what happened & what was allowed to continue will come out. Thank each of you for your desire of this moment & I encourage you that patience must also be kept in mind. I warn you however, not to wait for the truth of what happened to come out in order for you to be free... Information will be helpful but not freeing... Time & perspective, certainly a dose of forgiveness as well are going to be needed for each of us to walk forward in life. Don't be stuck in bitterness, your bitterness at Pete & Kamp will only hold you captive.
There isn't enough room here nor do I want to assume on you to read an extensive post from me but I do look forward to the truth coming out, I do not however recommend you expect it to set you free.
As for decisions about whether to send kids to kamp, any camp, boarding school, public school??? Please consider this thought, my uncle was hit by a drunk driver & killed at the age of 30. His daughter was 4 years old at the time. This incident has not led me to the decision that I will never get in a car again. Please don't hold that against me. Please don't hold it against families who choose to send their kids back to kamp, or any other camp for that matter.
Thanks for your comments, for your time. I hope that in time, each of you finds healing from the horrible pain of what Pete has done.
steve
steve
ReplyDeleteThank you for your heartfelt post.
I do not want to be held captive by bitterness due to the actions of Pete Newman or the "inactions" of Kanakuk.
I do not want to hold anything against anyone...decisions are personal. The best decisions are made when you know the truth, have the facts and prayerfully consider your options. Without these important elements decisions become whims and are made in haste.
My suggestion and advice is to be patient...wait for the truth and facts...then prayerfully consider your options.
Anything less could lead to regret.
Well I am really sick of all this. Both parties are responsible for what has happened. Pete Newman needs to be punished for ALL his wrong doings. Kanakuk has already been punished with media coverage and will be for years to come. I have had a bad experience on the phone with a Kanakuk staffer and immediately contacted by email Joe White. So far, it has been taking care of because I got a phone call right back in regards to this situation. I am sending my kids to Kanakuk again this year and i will also talk to them again before they go about right and wrong. It is our jobs as parents to comfort htem and guide them to always feel comfortable letting you as a parent know if there is ever anything that made them feel uncomfortable.
ReplyDeletePete was Satan's foot in the door at Kanakuk. There will be other places wheter it be church, school or social events that these Pedophiles will prey on our children. Pete got away with it because he was a good conartist around the right people, but as you see...he finally have been caught. Anytime you get to know a person that seems to be genuine and have it all together and later find out something terrible about them, it is your first instinct to not believe or find it just hard to believe. This is what made him so good at what he did for so long. He is a LIAR, THEIF and the DEVIL! He was just good at faking it around the camp owners and directors. Pete Newman will burn in HELL!
For what it's worth, I just wanted to tell all of the boys and their families that I will be praying for your healing. This is just so sad. My siblings and I basically grew up at Kanakuk. Several of us worked there as well. It breaks my heart to think of these boys being victimized in this way.
ReplyDeleteI feel compelled to say, however, that as a child I had a similar situation happen to me as Amanda's daughter. One year I had some really bad counselors. They mocked me for something my mom had always told me and punished for the slightest infraction. In the scope of life, it's not a big deal, but at the time I felt so alone. Stuck at camp, kind of shy and at an awkward stage and they made fun of me. I never told my parents, but I wouldn't go back for years. Eventually I did and had good experiences, but I've never sent my kids.
I also had an incident where I reported the misconduct of another counselor to management. Not even close to as serious of an issue as Pete's, but definitely misconduct according to camp literature. I spoke with someone in leadership, who listened politely and as near as I can tell they only talked to the counselor. I was a little disillusioned. Then I began to really see the lives of other counselors. At camp they were handsome/pretty, charismatic and "on fire for the Lord". At school they were definitely different.
In the spirit of what Wes Neal said, I think Joe White's heart must be broken over this whole ordeal. I do believe that he and most of those that work at camp are really passionate about kids. I'm certain they are all heartbroken as well. I personally can't imagine how there weren't any red flags for someone as demented as Pete. If the naked atv allegations etc are true, he should have been fired on the spot. (The sad part is that even if he had been fired, he probably would have just moved on and hurt boys through a different ministry.) But I hope and pray that from this day forward Kanakuk leadership will deal with this all in a way that truly honors the Lord, and that He will somehow redeem all of this awfulness.
Any parents that are still sending your kids to camp, please just help your kids to realize that everyone at camp is just human regardless of how wonderful he/she seems.
Amen!!! The camp had heard about this before. Just like when our pastor was having sex with several women at our church the elders would not believe it for 2 years!! Same thing at Kanakuk. My son went to K-country, Kwest and K2 and the father son with P.N. I praise God he did not hurt my boy.
ReplyDeleteMy son will NEVER go back there bc of this event happening. Kakakuk has ignored my concerns and they even kept sending me letters, emails to ask me to drum up other campers for them. I finally after many, many emails this spring got them to stop sending me emails. I told them we would never come back and in good faith they needed to fix what is broken at camp before I would ever suggest to a close friend to go to camp... crazy!!
It seem to me all they could focus on was to hurry and move forward. Not wise at all. Deal with the issue. Allow God to help rebuild the camp. Totally crazy and very very hurtful.
I attended Kannakuk Kristian Koncentration Kamp 2 years in a row. I am 34 and still bitter over the experience. I especiallu disliked the DEHUMANIZING experience of opening our towel after GROUP shower to show a "counseler" our naked junk to inspect for tics or injury! <-- is this even LEGAL?!?!???
ReplyDeleteI think I would know if by testicles were "injured".
FU Joe White and all your supporters.
We just picked up our 12 yr old son from his first summer at Kanakuk.
ReplyDeleteYes, I did know about the problems. I am SICK about them. I really prayed hard about sending my son.
I sensed God's strong leading and felt peace about it, despite the dangers.
Where is a truly safe place for our kids?
There are wolves among the sheep everywhere - in our Christian schools, our churches. My young daughter was even molested by a preacher's child 5 feet away from me recently. We are still reeling from this, and giving the pain to God. I have her in hyper protective mode.
But hiding always? Cowering and being fearful? Are these my options?
Do I trust the camap entirely? I don't trust man. Especially after what just happened to my daughter.
But for my older son,
I have to trust that he is hearing what we tell him as we train him up and have very difficult conversations about dangers. And I am trusting his God-given instict about when things are wrong.
He has the Lord in his heart, and the Holy Spirit discenment. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have sent him to camp.
He came back having a very good experience, and I saw Christ at work in his counselors.
I also saw lots of safety guards in place - like 2-3 counselors per cabin of just 10 boys, safety talks, and my son can't even email his counselor unless I approve it. The camp has a video online about their changes.
Because of the increasinly sex-saturated culture, I am now more diligently protecting who I allow into my kids lives, and if I feel strange about anyone, even if they are "Christian" they are OUT. And I am increasing my communication with the kids - those one on one conversations that I had let drift.
Plus - they are getting trained in how to kick the crap out of anyone who is physically aggressive. I know predators though make friends, so I have to talk to them about that too, and stay VERY involved in all communications and checking email and texts.
I could punish Kanakuk by not sending my son there, but where is a safe place on this earth?
After what they have been through, perhaps it is safer than most.
I only saw Christ at work there this past weekend.
I attended Kanakuk for two years in the 90's. While I found the counselors to be very friendly and warm, the 'love bombing' and the constant talk about the rapture really bothered me, even at a young age. I also found the ideas about how marriages were supposed to work, the 'purity talks,' the anti-science attitudes and general fundamentalist evangelical beliefs to be a bit disturbing. Frankly, although the facilities were fantastic and the people were really friendly, there was a cult vibe that bothered me a lot. I also was slapped, patted, smacked, and swatted on the butt many times by various male counselors and that really made me feel uncomfortable. At the time, it was the constant talk of the imminent rapture and damnation that really bothered me-- I had nightmares and anxiety attacks about my family going to hell for years afterward. I wouldn't go so far as to say that there were any overt pedophiles at 'kamp' while I was there, but I can completely see how the environment would be a pedophile's wonderland-- the encouragement of roughhousing and the innocence of boys who think they are just getting 'Godly advice' on how to act with their future wife or who think that fondling is merely 'macho affection'. The emphasis on obedience to authority and having a 'good attitude' (doing what the authorities say, not asking questions, being a team player, not rocking the boat, etc) also would be great for a potential child molester. And frankly, we worshipped our counselors, they were like the coolest big brothers/uncles in the world. The fact that a man in Pete Newman's position abused his role so heinously makes me sick. I am crushed that Joe White condoned this behavior and since he reprimanded Pete for his actions more than once, he had to know sketchy things were going on. Oh, the food thing is completely true, too, food was used as a reward/punishment and there were major mixed messages going on about junk food. On the one hand, we were told we might not get called up to heaven at the rapture if we were too worldly (like if we watched Mtv or used hair gel or ate at McDonald's) and on the other hand, we were rewarded at the Sugar Shack with enormous ice cream sundaes for good sports performance and were taken out on reward trips and allowed to have pop, etc.
ReplyDeleteI was a Kamper at Kanakomo for nine years and a Counselor for five years (1970's-1980's)! I'm appalled at the events and "cover up" that happened at the Kamp I loved! I believe every word in which Mrs. Tackett wrote! To the Kamp cronie who said she sounded ridiculous, you and anyone else justifying the actions and subsequent cover up at Kanakuk sound absolutely crazy and immoral. I wrote Joe White a letter over two years ago and he's obviously too big a coward to respond to me! God bless and keep all the victims and their families! Enrollment has declined drastically over the past few years. I totally believe in karma!
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