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Wednesday, October 20, 2010
Seventh District Congressional debate at Willard posted
12 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Well Scott, your fired a shot and missed the target. You being an attorney and all (well not really much of an attorney) should know better. You asked Long about supporting a criminal investigation into alleged events?
Is it not ironic that you made no mention that the proper approach would be for the parties involved to go to their local prosecuting attorney first?
You have let your judgement be led by Clayton Bowler who started the LongisWrong.com site who shopped this slander until he found the youthful Eli Yokley to run it on The Fuse.
Justice would be served if if Mr. Long or the owner of the Metro Grill would file suit against the offending parties and allow a court to decide. Perhaps the judge would sentence them to years of public service. Years of public service in pink uniforms picking up trash on public right-of-ways in their respective communities. Trash on the right-of-way and trash on the internet is the same thing.......trash.
Anon 7:29 - (1) I just want to set the record straight here - I can't remember the last time I talked to Clay Bowler, but I can assure you it hasn't been recently, and certainly not about the Case allegations. (2) I found this on my own. Then researched it. Then reported on it as allegations - not truth. But they were legitimate allegations, from what I gathered. (3) I think, by definition, you can't slander in print....
Well kid, reread the earlier post. Your response was a weak at best.
The rumor mill was in fact 'slander' and you bought into it and put it in print. Several people are well aware of the activities of the other guy. He desperately wanted someone else to take the trash and run with it. You are now the 'trashman'.
You said, "I found this on my own." You are not very convincing. Bet the email traffic and cell phone calls between you and the other guy are numerous.
You are now justifying your activities based on 'legitimate allegations'? Just how low are you willing to set your standards?
I don't know what your plans are after the General Election but I hope they include not being an embarrassment to yourself.
Get out of your anonymous shell and and I'll send you (just you, because you're special) phone and email records between me and "the other guy" up to the publication of that story.
I'm not really sure what he has done with this - I've really - (if you came out of your anonymous shell, you'd be able to see this) - I've really not had a lot of back and forth with 'the other guy.'
It's an allegation, and it's a serious allegation. And it'd be irresponsible to consider it as anything else.
After November, I plan to continue what I'm doing - honest, fair, tough reporting on politics in the state of Missouri. I've been very successful at what I do, so I really hope to continue it.
Really - break free from the anonymous shell. It'll feel good. :)
One of these days you are going to seek a real job and the potential employers are going to look at your record and determine if you are worth their investment. Right now, you are a poor investment.
Serious allegations require serious followup. Actual one-on-one interviews to ask the tough questions which are basic: Who, What, Where, When....well, actual journalists know what to do.
Until you engage at that level, you are nothing more than a non-anonymous college kid with a computer and an ax to grind.
Hopefully, this poor example of journalism by converting slander to libel blogging has taught you a lesson. It could go full circle if you would call Billy Long and apologize for your youthful mistake. Even though you continue to deny that you were led by the other guy to do this.
You're boy, Goodman, did not win and you continue to cry in your Kool-Aid.
No ax to grind, Mr. Still Anonymous, just trying to do what "real journalists" down here aren't doing: Report. Just because it is not 'friendly' doesn't mean it is lacks relevance and is me "grinding my ax.."... I don't have an ax... I don't think I've ever used an ax, to be honest.
Give me your email address, and I'll send you my phone and email records between me and the guy - it's incredibly short and probably pretty boring.
I don't have a "guy." I don't know that I'm supporting anyone - I'm really trying to go at this in a fair way. Look at my statewide work - I'm not going at this in a biased way. I'm being as fair as I can.
Typos. If anyone has anything on me, it would be my terrible tendency to miss errors I make in writing.
As far as potential employers investing.... we'll see what they think. I bet you're wrong.
Come out of the shadows and I'll send you that. You'll be incredibly bored by the email/phone trail....
You said, "(2) I found this on my own. Then researched it. Then reported on it as allegations - not truth. But they were legitimate allegations, from what I gathered.
Scott Eckersly said, "When she sent her letter into our campaign office....."
Can you not break free from the anonymity? I usually am not so committed to these comment pages, but you're just too interesting.....
Well - I received the letter, then I talked to Jennifer. Then I dug a little more. Then I wrote my story.
Pretty straight forward. If you ask around, I will bet some news organizations will tell you they received the letter, as well.
I've got the emails all ready to send you, by the way. Crack your shell and you will get them. :) Still trying to figure out how to pull up the phone records, though.
"Serious allegations require serious followup. Actual one-on-one interviews to ask the tough questions which are basic: Who, What, Where, When....well, actual journalists know what to do."
Jeff? is that you? What are you doing trying to bait a kid? Oh, like you did with that other kid who wrote a blog also.
Where are you writing from? Kansas City?
When Long paid you, did he pay you in cash or with a check?
Don't sink to the level of anonymous cowardly political goons. There is nothing here for you to prove, and when you're shot at from a gun you can't see you don't have anything to shoot back at.
And you're right: libel is in print, slander is by word of mouth. Working in press is usually a privileged defense as well as long as you can show you expressed due care in doing diligent research.
Keep digging, keep writing and know that there's people out here that have your back.
12 comments:
Well Scott, your fired a shot and missed the target. You being an attorney and all (well not really much of an attorney) should know better. You asked Long about supporting a criminal investigation into alleged events?
Is it not ironic that you made no mention that the proper approach would be for the parties involved to go to their local prosecuting attorney first?
You have let your judgement be led by Clayton Bowler who started the LongisWrong.com site who shopped this slander until he found the youthful Eli Yokley to run it on The Fuse.
Justice would be served if if Mr. Long or the owner of the Metro Grill would file suit against the offending parties and allow a court to decide. Perhaps the judge would sentence them to years of public service. Years of public service in pink uniforms picking up trash on public right-of-ways in their respective communities. Trash on the right-of-way and trash on the internet is the same thing.......trash.
Anon 7:29 - (1) I just want to set the record straight here - I can't remember the last time I talked to Clay Bowler, but I can assure you it hasn't been recently, and certainly not about the Case allegations. (2) I found this on my own. Then researched it. Then reported on it as allegations - not truth. But they were legitimate allegations, from what I gathered. (3) I think, by definition, you can't slander in print....
Well kid, reread the earlier post. Your response was a weak at best.
The rumor mill was in fact 'slander' and you bought into it and put it in print. Several people are well aware of the activities of the other guy. He desperately wanted someone else to take the trash and run with it. You are now the 'trashman'.
You said, "I found this on my own." You are not very convincing. Bet the email traffic and cell phone calls between you and the other guy are numerous.
You are now justifying your activities based on 'legitimate allegations'? Just how low are you willing to set your standards?
I don't know what your plans are after the General Election but I hope they include not being an embarrassment to yourself.
Get out of your anonymous shell and and I'll send you (just you, because you're special) phone and email records between me and "the other guy" up to the publication of that story.
I'm not really sure what he has done with this - I've really - (if you came out of your anonymous shell, you'd be able to see this) - I've really not had a lot of back and forth with 'the other guy.'
It's an allegation, and it's a serious allegation. And it'd be irresponsible to consider it as anything else.
After November, I plan to continue what I'm doing - honest, fair, tough reporting on politics in the state of Missouri. I've been very successful at what I do, so I really hope to continue it.
Really - break free from the anonymous shell. It'll feel good. :)
One of these days you are going to seek a real job and the potential employers are going to look at your record and determine if you are worth their investment. Right now, you are a poor investment.
Serious allegations require serious followup. Actual one-on-one interviews to ask the tough questions which are basic: Who, What, Where, When....well, actual journalists know what to do.
Until you engage at that level, you are nothing more than a non-anonymous college kid with a computer and an ax to grind.
Hopefully, this poor example of journalism by converting slander to libel blogging has taught you a lesson. It could go full circle if you would call Billy Long and apologize for your youthful mistake. Even though you continue to deny that you were led by the other guy to do this.
You're boy, Goodman, did not win and you continue to cry in your Kool-Aid.
"Voter ignorance is the biggest problem in this election." -CraigforCongress
Well Craig, after listening to you at the Fairgrounds, in Ozark and at Willard, I respectfully have to disagree with you.
You and Long are in a foot race to claim the prize for 'candidate ignorance' in this year's congressional bid.
You're not going to be elected and pity all of us when Billy goes to DC.
No ax to grind, Mr. Still Anonymous, just trying to do what "real journalists" down here aren't doing: Report. Just because it is not 'friendly' doesn't mean it is lacks relevance and is me "grinding my ax.."... I don't have an ax... I don't think I've ever used an ax, to be honest.
Give me your email address, and I'll send you my phone and email records between me and the guy - it's incredibly short and probably pretty boring.
I don't have a "guy." I don't know that I'm supporting anyone - I'm really trying to go at this in a fair way. Look at my statewide work - I'm not going at this in a biased way. I'm being as fair as I can.
Typos. If anyone has anything on me, it would be my terrible tendency to miss errors I make in writing.
As far as potential employers investing.... we'll see what they think. I bet you're wrong.
Come out of the shadows and I'll send you that. You'll be incredibly bored by the email/phone trail....
Explain this Yokley:
You said, "(2) I found this on my own. Then researched it. Then reported on it as allegations - not truth. But they were legitimate allegations, from what I gathered.
Scott Eckersly said, "When she sent her letter into our campaign office....."
Can you not break free from the anonymity? I usually am not so committed to these comment pages, but you're just too interesting.....
Well - I received the letter, then I talked to Jennifer. Then I dug a little more. Then I wrote my story.
Pretty straight forward. If you ask around, I will bet some news organizations will tell you they received the letter, as well.
I've got the emails all ready to send you, by the way. Crack your shell and you will get them. :) Still trying to figure out how to pull up the phone records, though.
Anon 9:12 AM said,
"Serious allegations require serious followup. Actual one-on-one interviews to ask the tough questions which are basic: Who, What, Where, When....well, actual journalists know what to do."
Jeff? is that you? What are you doing trying to bait a kid? Oh, like you did with that other kid who wrote a blog also.
Where are you writing from? Kansas City?
When Long paid you, did he pay you in cash or with a check?
"Well - I received the letter, then I talked to Jennifer. Then I dug a little more. Then I wrote my story."
Did Eckersley send the letter to you? (Be careful with your answer because the Shadow knows the source.)
Eli,
Don't sink to the level of anonymous cowardly political goons. There is nothing here for you to prove, and when you're shot at from a gun you can't see you don't have anything to shoot back at.
And you're right: libel is in print, slander is by word of mouth. Working in press is usually a privileged defense as well as long as you can show you expressed due care in doing diligent research.
Keep digging, keep writing and know that there's people out here that have your back.
-Will
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